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Old October 7th 14, 02:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, October 6, 2014 10:21:52 AM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, October 6, 2014 2:36:15 PM UTC+1, wrote:

On Monday, October 6, 2014 9:23:07 AM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:




On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:17:04 PM UTC+1, wrote:




Yo, Daniels, I'm used to Google offering me translations of what you fondly believe to be English, but I don't even get this question: "WHY are cyclists riding at Night ?"




Surely the question is, Why not?




nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn




ah no. Question is why is the Dyno Group riding at night ?




The dyno isn't the motivator here, it is merely a mechanism that makes night riding convenient whenever one wants to ride at night. If your implication is that only batteries are natural, that's more supine fashion-self-victimization by cyclists and particularly roadies; you don't see it outside the anglophone-japanese-roadie nexus.



Clearly, one escapes into the night. But why ? Or does not 'escape' into the night.




"Escapes"? Really? You're a psychologist now?.



Kinda like the experiential problem of equating statistics to potential danger. There are perspectives from Ohio, from LA.




You know what I think of "perspectives from Ohio" -- they're a superior guideline to possibibilites you want to reject out of hand because their source and his logic and morality and statistical "skills" are all severely tainted.



Obviously night riding is not as safe as day riding




Nothing obvious about it at all. If motorists are the chief danger, rather than the road itself, then empty roads are safer. If the road itself is the chief danger, then good lamps or slowing down can mitigate or remove the extra danger. My own experience is that if I don't respect the road, I fall off sooner or later, regardless of whether it is daylight or nighttime.



but for some, more comfortable. Comfort is not safety..surely not in potential.




Crap, and crap again. People who aren't comforatble are easily distracted, and in the extreme can do stupid things out of fear.



( is dyno riding safer than battery riding ? )




It's not an argument I made. I simply said it is more convenient. But it must be safer because batteries can run out of juice in the middle of a ride, whereas dynamos rarely break.



https://www.google.com/#q=bicycle+st...n+ day+riding




What's this, another of your compendium Google searches loaded with lay opinion not worth the time to read? You've been told again and again, give us a single authoritative source, and we might pay attention.



you're prob with reading my writing is your skills lack quality.




Nope. I'm a distinguished writer and teacher of writing ("Jute is a godsend" -- The Times, London, on one of my writing handbooks). My problem with you is that you're a smart arse who thinks he knows better than everyone who speaks and writes decent English. You don't. That garbage you spew doesn't make you clever, it makes incomprehensible. In English there is no greater sin.



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wow amazing posturing of paranoid right wing Euro elitism....
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Old October 7th 14, 02:22 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/6/2014 8:15 PM, Duane wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/6/2014 6:01 PM, Duane wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:23:57 -0400, Duane
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I wouldn't buy a dynamo either...
Even if it was a $15 option???? I would in a heartbeat at that kind
of price!!

Probably not. I don't have a need for any serious lighting. I'm sure
there are those that do and would appreciate that.

Yes, very few North Americans think they have no need for any serious
lighting on a bicycle. After all, they'd say, it's not a serious vehicle,
is it? To them, it's either a garage decoration or a fair weather toy.


You're putting words in my mouth again. So you plan to endlessly quote me
as saying that as well?


First the "fabricate a bike rack" thing, and now this?? Good grief,
Duane, turn on your reading comprehension!



Did I say "Duane says his bike is not a serious vehicle"? NO! I said
that most North Americans would say that - which is true! Most bikes in
NA sit in garages full time, or get brief exercise only on the prettiest days.


You replied directly to me with your spiel. Most North American cyclists
that I know would tell you that you have no idea what most North Americans
would say.


However, you _did_ say you have no need for any serious lighting. If it
offends you greatly that I noticed that, perhaps you should have kept it to yourself.


And perhaps you should go **** your supercilious self.



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Old October 7th 14, 02:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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cheapo deal ? incroyable

the phrase is 'back light'.... checked with Cateye maybe find a percentage night riding stat but no lighting specs..

http://goo.gl/K6Xijw

I found I was in a dynamo perspective wondering if Cateye's were current or had cycling moved on to cell phone apps leaving Cateye's behind...maybe for skiing in Russia ?

Frank, izzat true...$400 ?

Andy, is a $400 plateau device have demographic bearing in cycling ?

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Old October 7th 14, 02:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 10/6/2014 5:15 PM, Duane wrote:

You're as arrogant as you are annoying.. Some cycling advocate you are
when you demean what you claim is the vast majority of cyclists in your
country.


Some of us actually do stuff to promote cycling.

For example, the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition does a lot of secure
bicycle valet parking at events. We just started providing bicycle
parking at the new Levi's football stadium. I think as fans realize that
there's an excellent multi-use trail adjacent to the stadium and that
they'll save about two hours of time per game, bicycle use will
increase. We just need to find a way to have tailgate parties on
bicycles. We will also educate them about lighting if they are interested.

The key thing is to address the concerns people have in a respectful
manner. You don't want to be insulting or berating them. But maybe it's
that I live in an area where most people are pretty well educated and
would not fall for Frank's schtick, in fact the number that would fall
for it is vanishingly small. I've lived here so long that I forget that
things may be different in places like Appalachia. I

Please do not ever suggest that our favorite troll is a bicycle
advocate. If he takes the positions in real life that he does on r.b.t.
then he's working as hard as he can to discourage cycling.



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Old October 7th 14, 02:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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sms wrote:
On 10/6/2014 5:15 PM, Duane wrote:

You're as arrogant as you are annoying.. Some cycling advocate you are
when you demean what you claim is the vast majority of cyclists in your
country.


Some of us actually do stuff to promote cycling.

For example, the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition does a lot of secure
bicycle valet parking at events. We just started providing bicycle
parking at the new Levi's football stadium. I think as fans realize that
there's an excellent multi-use trail adjacent to the stadium and that
they'll save about two hours of time per game, bicycle use will increase.
We just need to find a way to have tailgate parties on bicycles. We will
also educate them about lighting if they are interested.

The key thing is to address the concerns people have in a respectful
manner. You don't want to be insulting or berating them. But maybe it's
that I live in an area where most people are pretty well educated and
would not fall for Frank's schtick, in fact the number that would fall
for it is vanishingly small. I've lived here so long that I forget that
things may be different in places like Appalachia. I

Please do not ever suggest that our favorite troll is a bicycle advocate.
If he takes the positions in real life that he does on r.b.t. then he's
working as hard as he can to discourage cycling.


I don't for a second think that Frank advocates anything other than Frank's
imagined superiority.

His attempt to bully Joerg just ****ed me off. He's run off enough people
with his crap. Anyway he's back in my kill file. I apologize for the
wasted bandwidth.


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Old October 7th 14, 02:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 07/10/14 11:10, Sir Ridesalot wrote:


Practical varies amongst people. For me practical is a decent battery
powered light that I can use on any of my bikes whenever I want. A
dynamo isn't pratical if it's on one bike but I want to use a
different bike that night. I've had my Rover II for many years now
and have never had it malfunction nor die on even multi-hours long
night rides.


I built one front wheel with a dynamo hub. It fits both my road bikes.
It takes a few minutes to move the front wheel and light from one bike
to another.

I don't need to move it very often anyway, I never need to charge it,
and it's always capable of producing power to the light, so it seems
practical to me.

It wouldn't bother me in the least to build a wheel specifically for my
mountain bike, and I'd probably want a dual light setup for
on-road/off-road lighting.

(I'm toying with the idea of a dual light mount so I can get the
high/low beam solution that Jay has asked for. It'd be nice for
twisting descents at speed at night.)

What's impractical to me is a light that only lasts a few hours, needs
recharging after every ride (3-4 times a week for me), and has a flimsy
quick release mount that I've seen fall apart on other's bikes.

Even my Garmin bike computer can operate, drive it's backlight and store
data for much longer than most rechargeable lights on the market.

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Old October 7th 14, 02:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, October 6, 2014 9:33:51 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
On 10/6/2014 5:15 PM, Duane wrote:



You're as arrogant as you are annoying.. Some cycling advocate you are


when you demean what you claim is the vast majority of cyclists in your


country.




Some of us actually do stuff to promote cycling.



For example, the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition does a lot of secure

bicycle valet parking at events. We just started providing bicycle

parking at the new Levi's football stadium. I think as fans realize that

there's an excellent multi-use trail adjacent to the stadium and that

they'll save about two hours of time per game, bicycle use will

increase. We just need to find a way to have tailgate parties on

bicycles. We will also educate them about lighting if they are interested.



The key thing is to address the concerns people have in a respectful

manner. You don't want to be insulting or berating them. But maybe it's

that I live in an area where most people are pretty well educated and

would not fall for Frank's schtick, in fact the number that would fall

for it is vanishingly small. I've lived here so long that I forget that

things may be different in places like Appalachia. I



Please do not ever suggest that our favorite troll is a bicycle

advocate. If he takes the positions in real life that he does on r.b.t.

then he's working as hard as he can to discourage cycling.




protected parking ? yawl egalitarians need protected parking ? goons roaming the lot ? in on a bus from Appalachia ? no kidding ? Looking for action ?



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Old October 7th 14, 02:53 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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James wrote:
On 07/10/14 11:10, Sir Ridesalot wrote:


Practical varies amongst people. For me practical is a decent battery
powered light that I can use on any of my bikes whenever I want. A
dynamo isn't pratical if it's on one bike but I want to use a
different bike that night. I've had my Rover II for many years now
and have never had it malfunction nor die on even multi-hours long
night rides.


I built one front wheel with a dynamo hub. It fits both my road bikes.
It takes a few minutes to move the front wheel and light from one bike to another.

I don't need to move it very often anyway, I never need to charge it, and
it's always capable of producing power to the light, so it seems practical to me.

It wouldn't bother me in the least to build a wheel specifically for my
mountain bike, and I'd probably want a dual light setup for on-road/off-road lighting.

(I'm toying with the idea of a dual light mount so I can get the high/low
beam solution that Jay has asked for. It'd be nice for twisting descents
at speed at night.)

What's impractical to me is a light that only lasts a few hours, needs
recharging after every ride (3-4 times a week for me), and has a flimsy
quick release mount that I've seen fall apart on other's bikes.

Even my Garmin bike computer can operate, drive it's backlight and store
data for much longer than most rechargeable lights on the market.


Most of my riding in the dark consists of the first and last hour of my
commute this time of year. To charge the fleas at my desk during work.
I'm mostly on well lit flat roads so they're fine.

Practical is a matter of opinion.

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Old October 7th 14, 03:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 07/10/14 12:22, Duane wrote:

And perhaps you should go **** your supercilious self.


Channelling Dan O these days?

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Old October 7th 14, 03:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:05:31 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, October 6, 2014 7:38:30 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/6/2014 6:01 PM, Duane wrote:

wrote:


On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:23:57 -0400, Duane


wrote:




I wouldn't buy a dynamo either...


Even if it was a $15 option???? I would in a heartbeat at that kind


of price!!




Probably not. I don't have a need for any serious lighting. I'm sure


there are those that do and would appreciate that.




Yes, very few North Americans think they have no need for any serious

lighting on a bicycle. After all, they'd say, it's not a serious

vehicle, is it? To them, it's either a garage decoration or a fair

weather toy.



The more practical use one gets out of a bike, the more sense a dynamo

makes. Obviously, levels of practical use vary tremendously, with the

statistical mode being zero for North Americans.



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- Frank Krygowski


In fair weather at night I see many "serious" bicycle commuters/riders who wear dark colour clothing, have no reflectors or lights of any kind and who often seem to just appear on the dark section of the road as if they've popped in via a time warp or some portal. It can be quite startling to tthe rider who nearly hits them.

What gets me is that here in Ontario it's illegal to ride s bicycle at night without at least reflectors if not lights. Then again it's also illegal to sell a bicycle that doesn't have reflectors. Plus, it's also illegal to ride a bicycle that doesn't have brakes. The peoblem seems to be that the laws aren't enforced anyway unless the cop is in a bad mood.

Cheers

They can't (or won't) even take the chinese-engined gasoline-powered
almost mopeds off the road. (whizzer replica motors strapped to a
cheap bicycle) Last I heard, if the cop really wanted to make an
example of someone, or be a prick , or even just do his job there is
about $8000 of fines available to be applied for driving an unfit,
unlicenced, uninsured motorcycle without a motorcycle licence and
without a proper (if any) helmet, usually at over the speed limit for
a limited speed motorcycle.

Add driving while suspended for DUI (many ride these deathtraps when
they lose their car licence) and it can go even higher.
 




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