Frank, Jay's and SMS's greatest dreams appear to have come true.

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 1:31:20 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
..
We're a large country with one of everything. Every year a
few thousand USAians renounce their citizenship (the fee for
which is some $4000) including this year Tina Turner who is
now a Swiss. These are unusual outlier decisions with no
greater meaning IMHO.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
..
Actually there is a larger meaning. The United States, almost uniquely among nations, considers its citizen to be liable to its taxes on their total income no matter where earned and no matter that the citizen resides outside the US. Other nations tax only residents, and/or the earnings only within the geographical borders of the state of non-residents. There are agreements between nations to avoid double-taxation of non-resident income. For American citizens in the income bracket of Tina Turner, therefore, tax avoidance* is not effected merely by moving to Switzerland; such people also have to surrender their American citizenship.

Andre Jute
"You wouldn't have to pay so much in taxes if you didn't earn so much." --- My brother-in-law's cavalier dismissal of my anguish at the income tax burden.

* For the benefit of the usual mouth-foaming commie-pinko-fellow-travellers, tax avoidance is not only blameless, it is a citizen's moral duty, so that he may most effectively invest his savings in creating jobs rather than permitting the state to waste it on buying votes, whereas tax evasion has been officially declared a crime.

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:27:32 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 6:17:51 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
Prop 19, which just passed, will reduce the number of retirees that
leave California because now they can move to anywhere in the state and
take their Prop 13 home valuation with them. If they live in a $2
million house that is assessed at $300,000, they can buy a $500,000 in a
less expensive county and take that $300,000 assessment with them. The
county that they leave makes out like a bandit because their old house
is reassessed at market value, which can mean 6-10x the property tax
revenue. The county that they go to loses out because they'll be paying
artificially low property tax on their new home, but the less expensive
counties don't have a shortage of single family homes so it's not like
the seniors are really displacing anyone.

How is that not discriminatory? And it has to be getting gamed. I would challenge that law if I were a local taxing authority that was budgeting based on market values, and a bunch of "retirees" moved in depressed tax revenues. And retirees from where -- Apple and Intel? These people are not suffering.

How would you feel about paying a boat load of taxes on your house and someone moves in next door, buys a similar house and pays one-quarter your taxes. F*** that! People should be taxed equally. If a person can't meet the tax burden, then give him or her a deferrals and take it out of the sale of the house. Who cares if the kids don't make a few more thousand at probate time. If market values are through the roof and applying standard rates balloons tax revenues, then reduce the rate for everyone. We have a hobbled tax system around here where similar houses just have different locked-in assessments which means people shop for tax bills. It really skews the market and needs to be reformed.

-- Jay Beattie.

There speaks a closet conservative aka a limmo liberal. ---AJ

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:27:32 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 6:17:51 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
Prop 19, which just passed, will reduce the number of retirees that
leave California because now they can move to anywhere in the state and
take their Prop 13 home valuation with them. If they live in a $2
million house that is assessed at $300,000, they can buy a $500,000 in a
less expensive county and take that $300,000 assessment with them. The
county that they leave makes out like a bandit because their old house
is reassessed at market value, which can mean 6-10x the property tax
revenue. The county that they go to loses out because they'll be paying
artificially low property tax on their new home, but the less expensive
counties don't have a shortage of single family homes so it's not like
the seniors are really displacing anyone.

How is that not discriminatory? And it has to be getting gamed. I would challenge that law if I were a local taxing authority that was budgeting based on market values, and a bunch of "retirees" moved in depressed tax revenues. And retirees from where -- Apple and Intel? These people are not suffering.

How would you feel about paying a boat load of taxes on your house and someone moves in next door, buys a similar house and pays one-quarter your taxes. F*** that! People should be taxed equally. If a person can't meet the tax burden, then give him or her a deferrals and take it out of the sale of the house. Who cares if the kids don't make a few more thousand at probate time. If market values are through the roof and applying standard rates balloons tax revenues, then reduce the rate for everyone. We have a hobbled tax system around here where similar houses just have different locked-in assessments which means people shop for tax bills. It really skews the market and needs to be reformed.

-- Jay Beattie.

There speaks a closet conservative aka a limmo liberal. ---AJ
Well, I think that Jay is afraid that the Democrats may finance a black family moving in next door on one side and an illegal Hispanic family on the otherr.

The real problem is that the could FAR more easily raise property taxes than they could state income taxes. So here is California they have lifted the property taxes to ridiculous heights. If they allow property taxes to follow the rocketing value of properties here, the state would own all of the properties from foreclosure for tax sales.

On 11/21/2020 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves.

You mean like those people who whine and rage incessantly about their
living conditions, and their grocery expenses, and their bike parts that
don't work right, while sucking the Social Security teat? The ones who
refuse to "do more" to get a job and move on with their lives?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/21/2020 4:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 2:39:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 8:00:39 AM UTC, wrote:

We lose with either party.
.
That's not a unique conditions. The same applies in most of Europe where there are only two parties or permanent binary coalitions of very few parties. Third and/or new parties just don't stand a chance. Even in Israel with its lively democracy, where there is a form of proportional representation and what can sometimes appear a dizzy whirl of shifting coalitions, there are only two parties the President can call on to form or attempt to form a government.

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves. That is what the Deep State is that Trump talks about. These bureaucracies grow more powerful than the elected government and subsume all of the power than should be in the hands of the electorate.


+1
Well written, clear and compelling.
Thanks for that.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 3:53:18 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/21/2020 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves.
You mean like those people who whine and rage incessantly about their
living conditions, and their grocery expenses, and their bike parts that
don't work right, while sucking the Social Security teat? The ones who
refuse to "do more" to get a job and move on with their lives?

Tell us all Frank, what part of the government did I suggest be expanded to deal with these sorts of things? I would drive out to Springfield and break your face into jelly but I don't have to. Your own phony government is going to catch up to you. And I will merrily read about how an illegal alien broke into your house and killed everyone for $10.

On 11/22/2020 4:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 3:53:18 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/21/2020 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves.
You mean like those people who whine and rage incessantly about their
living conditions, and their grocery expenses, and their bike parts that
don't work right, while sucking the Social Security teat? The ones who
refuse to "do more" to get a job and move on with their lives?

Tell us all Frank, what part of the government did I suggest be expanded to deal with these sorts of things? I would drive out to Springfield and break your face into jelly but I don't have to. Your own phony government is going to catch up to you. And I will merrily read about how an illegal alien broke into your house and killed everyone for $10.

You have such a rich fantasy life, Mr. Mitty! :-)


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 10:52:23 PM UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 2:39:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 8:00:39 AM UTC, wrote:

We lose with either party.
.
That's not a unique conditions. The same applies in most of Europe where there are only two parties or permanent binary coalitions of very few parties. Third and/or new parties just don't stand a chance. Even in Israel with its lively democracy, where there is a form of proportional representation and what can sometimes appear a dizzy whirl of shifting coalitions, there are only two parties the President can call on to form or attempt to form a government.
I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves. That is what the Deep State is that Trump talks about. These bureaucracies grow more powerful than the elected government and subsume all of the power than should be in the hands of the electorate.

Well done, Tom!

Andre Jute
Karl Marx spins in his grave.

On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 4:13:30 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/22/2020 4:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 3:53:18 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/21/2020 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves.
You mean like those people who whine and rage incessantly about their
living conditions, and their grocery expenses, and their bike parts that
don't work right, while sucking the Social Security teat? The ones who
refuse to "do more" to get a job and move on with their lives?

Tell us all Frank, what part of the government did I suggest be expanded to deal with these sorts of things? I would drive out to Springfield and break your face into jelly but I don't have to. Your own phony government is going to catch up to you. And I will merrily read about how an illegal alien broke into your house and killed everyone for $10.
You have such a rich fantasy life, Mr. Mitty! :-)

Do you think so? Since you lied about your true age here, you will live long enough to see your stupid comments shown to be idiotic. I especially like the part where your retirement becomes worthless as Biden starts printing money to pay the bills.

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 09:37:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, November 22, 2020 at 4:13:30 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/22/2020 4:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 3:53:18 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/21/2020 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

I believe that the source of the problems are the socialist bureaucracy that grows up with people increasingly demanding that the government do more so they don't have to themselves.
You mean like those people who whine and rage incessantly about their
living conditions, and their grocery expenses, and their bike parts that
don't work right, while sucking the Social Security teat? The ones who
refuse to "do more" to get a job and move on with their lives?

Tell us all Frank, what part of the government did I suggest be expanded to deal with these sorts of things? I would drive out to Springfield and break your face into jelly but I don't have to. Your own phony government is going to catch up to you. And I will merrily read about how an illegal alien broke into your house and killed everyone for $10.
You have such a rich fantasy life, Mr. Mitty! :-)

Do you think so? Since you lied about your true age here, you will live long enough to see your stupid comments shown to be idiotic. I especially like the part where your retirement becomes worthless as Biden starts printing money to pay the bills.

"your stupid comments shown to be idiotic"? Tommy boy, you just gotta
stop bragging!
--
Cheers,

John B.