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On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. |
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On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. |
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Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou |
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On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/17/2020 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages .* When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. Um... they did take that away, IIRC. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 11/17/2020 12:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/17/2020 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. Um... they did take that away, IIRC. Which loops back to the topic. UCI are a bunch of putzes with unclear motivation and arbitrarily applied authority. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:33:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. And apparently wasn't doing anything that every other top rider of his era was doing :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 11/17/2020 5:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:33:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. And apparently wasn't doing anything that every other top rider of his era was doing :-) Same dope, same bike, same climbs, same wind, same opportunities but Lance had more je ne sais quoi and you don't either. I'm not defending his asshole personality or the chronic lying but after all, he persevered to win. Repeatedly. Hmmm. That reminds me of another Famous Person. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 11/17/2020 3:54 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2020 5:36 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:33:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages .* When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly.* You can't take that away. And apparently wasn't doing anything that every other top rider of his era was doing :-) Same dope, same bike, same climbs, same wind, same opportunities but Lance had more je ne sais quoi and you don't either. I'm not defending his asshole personality or the chronic lying but after all, he persevered to win. Repeatedly. Hmmm. That reminds me of another Famous Person. While I mostly agree with you, there does remain the question - was he better on the bike and using equal doping or was he just superior at doping? I'm not talking about differences in the specific drugs involved - they appear to be pretty much in common - but about the whole doping / blood boosting protocols. Postal's system seemed very detailed and carefully thought out, and could possibly have been different/superior enough to make a difference. Again, I mostly tend to agree with you, but... (and I have to admit I've mostly stopped caring, except to agree that LA is personally objectionable.) Mark J. |
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 17:54:05 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2020 5:36 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:33:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2020 12:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op dinsdag 17 november 2020 om 17:42:48 UTC+1 schreef : On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 4:48:00 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:48:52 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/15/2020 12:28 PM, AMuzi wrote: Nine months suspension for causing the crash at the Tour of Poland: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/l...-poland-475516 Some of you may recall the crash video linked here earlier. Anyone else see this as a tragic error rather than a punishable intentional act? Nine months of a short cycling career is a long time. I agree. If Groenewegen had been in a car, it would be "SMIDSY" and no punishment. Want to show us the relevant sections in the UCI contract signed by Groenewagon, the closet motor-racer? Andrew's link was lacking in substance, but here is the key: "The UCI’s disciplinary commission has ruled that Groenewegen deviated from his sprinting line in the final, committing a violation of the UCI regulations." If you don't like PGA rules or their seemingly random enforcement, get things changed before violating them -- or play baseball. There's a regrettable tendency in several sports towards outrageous punishments for routine, forecastable sporting incidents, no malice, never mind preplanning by a perpetrator. Someone (Lou?) elsewhere in this thread thinks their motive is political correctness*, and that clearly plays a part, but it is also worth saying that the UCI is as incompetent, hypocritical and inconsistent a bunch of blazers as I've ever seen. Here it seems that their inadequate policing of the race route left an obvious hazard in place, and that they're punishing a rider for the predictable disaster that followed from that failure. All the way up the the mouthfoaming fanatics of WADA demanding that athletes prove themselves innocent of drug abuse -- because they're too incompetent to catch anybody. Too demand that someone proves himself innocent, or prove a negative, is an assault on a basic human right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, no exception, especially no exception for incompetent bureaucrats. All of the racers from the Lance Armstrong Era consider him the winner. Drugs helped recovery and could wake you up when you were too low on sleep, but they didn't make you any faster than your body was capable of doing. I do not like athletes using drugs because of the effects it can have after their careers are over. Pantani was a good example. LA was an ass to many people including his colleages . When the when the opportunity arose it was pay back time. Lou True, but as in so many fields, personality aside, he won. Repeatedly. You can't take that away. And apparently wasn't doing anything that every other top rider of his era was doing :-) Same dope, same bike, same climbs, same wind, same opportunities but Lance had more je ne sais quoi and you don't either. I'm not defending his asshole personality or the chronic lying but after all, he persevered to win. Repeatedly. Hmmm. That reminds me of another Famous Person. Re asshole personality. When I was in the Air Force I shot on Base and major command pistol teams and at some of the "big" matches the USAF "Blue" Team would be there - these are the guys that shoot in the Olympics - and it was notable that they were all "arrogant *******s", to coin a phrase, absolutely certain, and quite willing to tell you, that they were the best in the world. We - my team - were talking about this one time at the National Matches and the consensus was that it would be pretty hard to stand up there in the Olympics if you didn't positively believe that you were the best. I think that this must be an attribute of all top athletes and the "nice guys" just cover it up better. -- Cheers, John B. |
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