this is what drugs cheats look like

and perform like.
the womens records
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_met...rd_progression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Olizarenko

On Jul 16, 11:09*am, Henry wrote:
and perform like.
the womens recordshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres_world_record_progressionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Olizarenko

Interesting. I hadn't looked at the 800m records for a while.
As indicators of limits of human performance on the running track,
800m and 1500m records are pretty good metrics for speed-endurance.
So it looks like 1:41 is the limit for men and 1:53 the limit for
women, given that between 20 and 30 years of intense competition and
improved training methods haven't shifted the marks by much in that
time.
Which gives fairly good indicator in terms of V)2 max and power to
weight of where the physiological limits are.
And if you wanted to go one step further than that - where you would
need to position an athlete on the triangle of natural ability vs
training method vs doping in order to surpass or approach that limit.

On Jul 16, 4:16*am, drmofe wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:09*am, Henry wrote:

and perform like.
the womens recordshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres_world_record_progressionhttp:...

Interesting. *I hadn't looked at the 800m records for a while.
As indicators of limits of human performance on the running track,
800m and 1500m records are pretty good metrics for speed-endurance.
So it looks like 1:41 is the limit for men and 1:53 the limit for
women, given that between 20 and 30 years of intense competition and
improved training methods haven't shifted the marks by much in that
time.
Which gives fairly good indicator in terms of V)2 max and power to
weight of where the physiological limits are.
And if you wanted to go one step further than that - where you would
need to position an athlete on the triangle of natural ability vs
training method vs doping in order to surpass or approach that limit.

Even with a drug/training program, the physiological limits can only
be stretched so far. If a 28 minute 10K runner takes clenbuterol, for
example, he or she might take another minute or two off that, but
ultimately, humans can only go as fast as their bodies let them. A
runner, cyclist, or weightlifter may have the aerobic/muscle capacity,
but sooner or later, tendons and bones will snap. The results from a
croissant/mineral water regime just aren't spectacular enough for fans
and sponsors, unfortunately.

On Jul 16, 9:16*pm, drmofe wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:09*am, Henry wrote:

and perform like.
the womens recordshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres_world_record_progressionhttp:...

Interesting. *I hadn't looked at the 800m records for a while.
As indicators of limits of human performance on the running track,
800m and 1500m records are pretty good metrics for speed-endurance.
So it looks like 1:41 is the limit for men and 1:53 the limit for
women, given that between 20 and 30 years of intense competition and
improved training methods haven't shifted the marks by much in that
time.
Which gives fairly good indicator in terms of V)2 max and power to
weight of where the physiological limits are.
And if you wanted to go one step further than that - where you would
need to position an athlete on the triangle of natural ability vs
training method vs doping in order to surpass or approach that limit.

I saw a program years ago suggesting that in a couple of hundred years
with the known rate of improvement, women would overtake men in
athletics.
I have a notoriously bad memory, but the same program suggested 9:28
for the men's 100.
with all the dribble on rbr about doping - isn't Bolt's current world
record about 0.2 faster than Ben Johnsons 9.79 very short lived
record?