On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:11:49 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:20:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
On 3/28/2018 3:35 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 9:10:40 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/28/2018 6:48 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 27-03-18 22:47, Joerg wrote:
Many folks with other freehubs don't need to holler "on your left" when
rolling downhill because you can hear the GRRRR.
How can I get people to holler that here in Switzerland? Or maybe ring a
bell? It's just not customary here, and no one does it.
A couple of weeks ago I was in downtown Zurich, riding on a road with 2
sets of tram tracks. Approaching a stoplight, I signaled to the car
behind me that I wanted to turn left, andÂ* moved to the left side of my
lane. The motorist clearly saw that, so I saw no need to keep signaling
the turn. As the light turned green, I moved into the intersection to
cross the second set of tram tracks and to turn. Just then another guy
on a bike came up from behind even further to the left (in the lane
going against traffic on the other side of the intersection). I didn't
see him coming, turned into him so that my handlebars caught his, and so
slowly tipped over onto the pavement. Fortunately only a couple of minor
scratches, but could have been a lot worse.
I use an eyeglass mirror. While it's not foolproof, I think it's a great
help and might have prevented your crash. But I doubt you'll ever get
most people to ride competently.
I'm safety chairman for our bike club, and I occasionally say something
about those members who refuse to say "On your left" when passing.
I don't say "on your left when passing" because half the time, the rider startles and goes left. Cars don't say "on your left" when passing. Why should bikes. I'd get kicked out of your club.
Some lady gave me a load of crap about not saying "on your left" when I passed on an ascending bike path about a lane wide. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/share....cfm?id=504349 This is why I avoid the crowded bike facilities -- endless officious, dawdling newbie know-it-alls with 8-ball helmets and ringy-bells.
The fact is, riding around here is often pack riding -- and people should learn to ride in a pack and get used to being passed. In very close quarters, I will call out -- like passing on the Hawthorne Bridge where a bump can drop you off the elevated facility onto a metal deck bridge, but in a wide facility or on the road, I just go around.
And on group rides, I'm always trying to keep a mental inventory of who
is where. But one guy is amazingly unpredictable. One day, he snuck up
on my right (where the mirror couldn't detect him) and passed me quite
closely. I chewed him out mildly, saying that first, he probably
shouldn't pass on the right; but if it was really necessary, he should
at least call out "On your right."
Within ten minutes, he passed me again, elbow to elbow on my _left_. As
he did he called out "On your right."
You'd certainly hate my cohort -- a bunch of old racers who are rock-solid in close quarters and content with bumping shoulders. I hate civilian packs because a bump can mean a crash. A candy wrapper in the road can mean a crash.
Racers in a pack don't call out "on your left" because they're always in
close quarters and they know it. They're focused on what the pack is
doing and what they're going to do. Your ex-racer cohorts are probably
riding in that same style.
And yes, a random sample of Portland commuters will likely include a
significant number that have never heard that warning before, or don't
remember which way is "left." Those people are common on MUPs, too. They
require much more care.
But the rides I'm talking about are two or three hour social rides, a
loosely spaced bunch of friends who are cruising and conversing on rural
roads. People occasionally move up or back depending on conversation
topic, changes in scenery, terrain or just wild hairs. It's a relaxed
vibe, different from the intense single-mindedness of a race or training
ride. It's useful to communicate.
I occasionally pass someone and am frequently passed by others and I
can't remember ever having anyone say something like "on your left (Or
right)". I suggest that on a normal road where you will likely be
giving someone 2 to 3 feet of clearance it may well not be necessary.
On the other hand, if you are riding with the shoulder bumping crowd
you'll probable be hearing "Out of the way!" more frequently then "on
I was pondering my prior comments, and it seems in retrospect that whether I call out anything depends on where I am and the amount of maneuvering space. I will hear a pack call out if there is a big speed differential or I'm about to get passed by an impromptu peleton, which happens around here. If I'm just passing someone with plenty of room, I just go around.
-- Jay Beattie.
On 2018-03-29 21:26, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:18:06 -0700, Joerg
Cars happen to have several things most bikes don't: Rear view mirrors,
two outside mirrors and turn signals which are supposed to be activated
when overtaking another vehicle.
I can remember when cars were expected to honk before overtaking, but
that was deprecated long before I took driving lessons.
My wife and I just sat for the Mature Driver course to get an insurance
discount. One of the hints there was to tap the horn before passing a
cyclist. I thought ... really? I can picture a resident along Malcom
Dixon Road out here which is uphill and preferred by cyclists, trying to
get some sleep after coming back from the early morning shift.
Oh, and to get enough points to pass you must answer questions the way
they want it, whether that makes sense or not.
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