Another Addition to My "Required Reading for the Entire Planet": Deffeyes, Kenneth S., Hubbert's Peak -- The Impending World Oil Shortage

Stephen Baker wrote:
MV says:

No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.

And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of
a wire with no help from fossil fuels at all.

PhD in Dumbassedness, obviously....

Didn't know thay had electric busses running from Bazerkley down here to San
Diego! Kewl, dood!!!

Bill "picturing M#V driving a golf cart on I-5 South" S.

On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote:

..MV says:
..
..No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
..
..And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a wire
..with no help from fossil fuels at all.

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.

..PhD in Dumbassedness, obviously....
..
..Steve

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Sorni says:

Bill "picturing M#V driving a golf cart on I-5 South" S.

Ooohh,,,, Oooooh
Can we all watch?!?

Steve

MV says:

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.

And where do the solar panels come from? And how much oil-based resin goes
into the carbon-fibre blades on the Mercedes Benz emblems?

Think again.....

Mike Vandeman wrote in message . ..
On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote:

.MV says:
.
.No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
.
.And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a wire
.with no help from fossil fuels at all.

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.


Do you really think the components that make up these systems were
built in factories that all ran on solar, geothermal and wind
generated electricity? What about all the habitat that was taken to
put these systems in place, especially the wind systems? How many
birds must die every day to satisfy your selfish need for wind generated electricty?

You are a hypocrite of the highest order.

Mike Vandeman wrote in message . ..
On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote:

.MV says:
.
.No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
.
.And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a wire
.with no help from fossil fuels at all.

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.


And they don't harm the environment?

Like wind, solar power requires a lot of land, some 5 to 10 acres per
megawatt of power. Solar energy panel manufacture also produces
serious toxic wastes, including arsenic, gallium, and cadmium.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker)
wrote:


Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.


and that makes up what miniscule percentage of all electrice power?

you'll probably use the argument that trains are electric too. while it's
true, they rely on big ass diesel engines to power the generators thus
creating electricity. So, while the train itself runs on electricity, it
requires diesel to actually operate.

you've stuck you foot in your mouth on this one because you are way wrong

"R.White" wrote in message
om...
Mike Vandeman wrote in message
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On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker)
wrote:

.MV says:
.
.No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
.
.And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a
wire
.with no help from fossil fuels at all.

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.


And they don't harm the environment?

Like wind, solar power requires a lot of land, some 5 to 10 acres per
megawatt of power. Solar energy panel manufacture also produces
serious toxic wastes, including arsenic, gallium, and cadmium.

but, but,.....these facts disprove his argument so of course he can't
mention them

he uses so called "green" power and that's all that matters. never mind
that the act of creating such power may actually cause harm. to admit that
would admit fault

of course, I'm in no way condemning alternative fuels but for one to argue
that they are better by leaps and bounds is simply wrong and grossly
misleading. then again, that's how most of his arguments go anyway.......

R.White wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote in message . ..

On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote:

.MV says:
.
.No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
.
.And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a wire
.with no help from fossil fuels at all.

Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.



And they don't harm the environment?

Like wind, solar power requires a lot of land, some 5 to 10 acres per
megawatt of power. Solar energy panel manufacture also produces
serious toxic wastes, including arsenic, gallium, and cadmium.

All energy generating systems impact the environment to some degree.
But some systems impact it less. Some supposed green type energy has
extremely signficant impacts on the environment. For example, wind
generators in the Altamont Hills in Alameda County, California kill over
130 burrowing owls a year and a signficant number of other raptors. I
would hardly claim that energy created from the Altamont Hills turbines
is clean.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:25:05 GMT, Rick Hopkins wrote:

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..R.White wrote:
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.. Mike Vandeman wrote in message . ..
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..On 13 Apr 2004 11:10:12 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker) wrote:
..
...MV says:
...
...No, it doesn't. I guess you haven't heard of electricity.
...
...And we ALL know that electricity springs fully-formed from the end of a wire
...with no help from fossil fuels at all.
..
..Yes, solar & geothermal & wind-generated electricity does.
..
..
..
.. And they don't harm the environment?
..
.. Like wind, solar power requires a lot of land, some 5 to 10 acres per
.. megawatt of power. Solar energy panel manufacture also produces
.. serious toxic wastes, including arsenic, gallium, and cadmium.
..
..All energy generating systems impact the environment to some degree.
..But some systems impact it less. Some supposed green type energy has
..extremely signficant impacts on the environment. For example, wind
..generators in the Altamont Hills in Alameda County, California kill over
..130 burrowing owls a year and a signficant number of other raptors. I
..would hardly claim that energy created from the Altamont Hills turbines
..is clean.

Nor would I.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande