Johan Museeuw

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On 11 Oct 2004 12:43:44 -0700,
(hombre_de_bicycle) wrote:


Van Hoorebeeck Bart wrote in message ...

hombre_de_bicycle schreef:


Complete cover up by the Belgians.

what cover up by "Belgians" ?

Well as I recall, if I'm wrong I take it back and apologize, that
Belgian officals were responsible for collecting the post race urines
and didnt. UCI was furious but nothing was done. Am I remembering
correctly or was it Flanders instead of Paris Roubaix?


Think about it. Why would Belgian officials be doing something at
Paris to Roubaix?

Roubaix has cobbles, so it must be Belgian. Why don't we ask that guy
who was looking for a hotel there last year who posted here?

Stewart Fleming schreef:


Think about it. Why would Belgian officials be doing something at
Paris to Roubaix?


When reading it first I thought he might mean Belgian UCI officials. But why would they protect Museeuw? Remember a Belgian
doping official reported LUDO's "confession" in the Tour.

But in this case it were French authorities who would perform the test indeed.

What makes you think that Hincapie and Boonen were clean?

Because neither can spell veterinarian. just kidding, they sure might
be.

Wasn't Giorgio Furlan's Milan-Sanremo victory not impressive? Or
Berzin in LBL? Or Pantani's Giro until Madonna di Campliglio? Or
Museeuw's Ronde '98 where he finished with foam on his lips? Or Riis'
Tour. Or Dario Frigo's Paris Nice?? And what about VDB's year 1999?
what drugs definitely don't do is leveling the playing field.


Agreed.

Some people say that the increasing testing and the developing of new
test methods has resulted in an decreasing doping use over the last
few years. Maybe the many bunch sprints in the classics or the fact
that the final of a classic is starting later and later, are a sign of
that.

Kenny

Paul Sherwen actually said as much (agrees with you) in his interview
of Armstrong after the tour this year for OLN.

I plead illness for the above mistakes, for some reason, although I
knew the French run Paris-Roubaix, I thought the race crossed the
border into Belgique...duh it doesnt. (close though)

Yes, it is unlikely to actually be a conspiracy but who knows. I
never noticed the organization missing the chance to give Lance a post
race urine.

Anyhow, the point is Museeuw was doping and it is unfortunate. He was
a great rider but it is hard to see one of the "hard men" of cycling
reduced to another mere doper.

"B. Lafferty" wrote:

What makes you think that Hincapie and Boonen were clean? I was up at 5am
this morning and couldn't get back to sleep so I put the 2002 P-R dvd into
the computer. Museeuw was flying and a delight to watch. If you assume
that they were all juiced, then you have to conclude that the best athlete
won. Unfortunately, most of the classics have become rather boring due,
IMO, to drugs leveling the playing field artificially.



Dumbass -

Goddamm, you just make **** up.

In P-R, the playing field is anything but level since the advent of
EPO in bike racing.

Museeuw has gone on two successful 40k solo excursions, teams directed
by Patrick Lefevere win most of the time and, to top it off, teams
directed by Patrick Lefevere have swept the podium TWICE.

Artificial level playing field? You've got your head up your ass.


K. Gringioni

(hombre_de_bicycle) wrote in message . com...

Some people say that the increasing testing and the developing of new
test methods has resulted in an decreasing doping use over the last
few years. Maybe the many bunch sprints in the classics or the fact
that the final of a classic is starting later and later, are a sign of
that.

Kenny

Paul Sherwen actually said as much (agrees with you) in his interview
of Armstrong after the tour this year for OLN.

I plead illness for the above mistakes, for some reason, although I
knew the French run Paris-Roubaix, I thought the race crossed the
border into Belgique...duh it doesnt. (close though)

Illnes??

Anyhow, the point is Museeuw was doping and it is unfortunate.

No, the point is Museeuw TALKED about doping. But ofcourse he did more
than that I find some reactions very strange (especially in flemish
newspapers). Besides the people who still see him as a the belgian
cycling icon of the last 15y, a lot of people who admired him now
almost **** on him. I don't know why. Even if it's because they feel
Museeuw cheated, they have only themselves to blame they look at
cycling in a naive way.

I was the first to go crazy when Museeuw made a move. I was a big fan
and i still am (i didn't make a website about him for nothing :-) ).
At the time he was almost invincible (94-98), i didn't ask many
questions (i was mostly in a trance when he performed well). It was
the pre-festina era and i was a lot younger than now. But man, if i
see the footage of the Ronde's he rode and especially his WC '96 ( few
times a year), dzjeezes... It gets more and more inhuman what he did
and it definitely doesn't surpise me now what's happening to him at
his time. And that at a time with challengers like Fondriest, Tchmil,
Bartoli, Ballerini, Sorensen. (who knew just as he what candy they
needed).

Nevertheless, you can never perform a decade on the highest level,
just on doping. He still has something special. Ofcourse, growing up
with johan's career did bias my opinion (you always hold youth
memories close). But if fact people who grew up with Eddy Merckx like
my dad have the same attitude: they all know Merckx was caught for
doping (several times),but they don't make a big deal of it and
Merckx's career stays impressive.

Kenny

Museeuw has gone on two successful 40k solo excursions, teams directed
by Patrick Lefevere win most of the time and, to top it off, teams
directed by Patrick Lefevere have swept the podium TWICE.

Artificial level playing field? You've got your head up your ass.
K. Gringioni

Seems you too:

1996: Museeuw, Bortolami, Tafi (Mapei-GB)
1998: Ballerini, Tafi, Peeters (Mapei-Bricobi)
1999: Tafi, Peeters, Steels (Mapei-Quick Step)
2001: Knaven, Museeuw, Vainsteins (Domo-Farm Frites)

Kenny

On 10/13/2004 01:49 AM, in article
, "Kenny"
wrote:

(hombre_de_bicycle) wrote in message
. com...

Some people say that the increasing testing and the developing of new
test methods has resulted in an decreasing doping use over the last
few years. Maybe the many bunch sprints in the classics or the fact
that the final of a classic is starting later and later, are a sign of
that.

Kenny

Paul Sherwen actually said as much (agrees with you) in his interview
of Armstrong after the tour this year for OLN.

I plead illness for the above mistakes, for some reason, although I
knew the French run Paris-Roubaix, I thought the race crossed the
border into Belgique...duh it doesnt. (close though)

Illnes??


Mental illness. But does a lobotomy really count as an "illness" ???


Anyhow, the point is Museeuw was doping and it is unfortunate.

No, the point is Museeuw TALKED about doping. But ofcourse he did more
than that I find some reactions very strange (especially in flemish
newspapers). Besides the people who still see him as a the belgian
cycling icon of the last 15y, a lot of people who admired him now
almost **** on him. I don't know why. Even if it's because they feel
Museeuw cheated, they have only themselves to blame they look at
cycling in a naive way.

I was the first to go crazy when Museeuw made a move. I was a big fan
and i still am (i didn't make a website about him for nothing :-) ).
At the time he was almost invincible (94-98), i didn't ask many
questions (i was mostly in a trance when he performed well). It was
the pre-festina era and i was a lot younger than now. But man, if i
see the footage of the Ronde's he rode and especially his WC '96 ( few
times a year), dzjeezes... It gets more and more inhuman what he did
and it definitely doesn't surpise me now what's happening to him at
his time. And that at a time with challengers like Fondriest, Tchmil,
Bartoli, Ballerini, Sorensen. (who knew just as he what candy they
needed).

Nevertheless, you can never perform a decade on the highest level,
just on doping. He still has something special. Ofcourse, growing up
with johan's career did bias my opinion (you always hold youth
memories close). But if fact people who grew up with Eddy Merckx like
my dad have the same attitude: they all know Merckx was caught for
doping (several times),but they don't make a big deal of it and
Merckx's career stays impressive.

Kenny

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Kenny wrote:
Museeuw has gone on two successful 40k solo excursions, teams
directed
by Patrick Lefevere win most of the time and, to top it off, teams
directed by Patrick Lefevere have swept the podium TWICE.

Artificial level playing field? You've got your head up your ass.
K. Gringioni

Seems you too:

1996: Museeuw, Bortolami, Tafi (Mapei-GB)
1998: Ballerini, Tafi, Peeters (Mapei-Bricobi)
1999: Tafi, Peeters, Steels (Mapei-Quick Step)
2001: Knaven, Museeuw, Vainsteins (Domo-Farm Frites)



Dumbass -

You are correct.

Dang. Four podium sweeps. Yep, artificial level playing field.
K. Gringioni.