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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:39:13 GMT, "bob" wrote:
But, I will not ever spend a penny on a Shimano product. The idea is to replace all Shimano as it makes sense. Don't abandon Shimano so fast. You will miss out on a lot. I happen to have a special liking for Campy but I would not abandon Shimano. Repair parts for Campy are costly if you don't do the repair yourself. The typical G springs repair and a set of hoods will set you back $70. That's $10 for the springs and $35 for the hoods plus $25 labor. A set of housing is $35. Within 3 years of normal riding you can expect to pay $105 for replacement parts on a set of levers that you can buy for ~$100. And remember, nothing broke. The replacement rear derailleur cages cost like the entire unit. The majority of local shops don't have a clue as to how to work with Campy components and don't even stock them. Repair parts? The shops don't even like to order them. Remember, those that participate here on usenet are very savy consumers and many skilled mehanically. The story is not untypical. A guy I train with on Wed. had a broken right Record lever. Takes to decent local shop. Day 1, Mechanic needs to take lever off to see that a spring carrier and springs are needed. Bar tape gets mangled. Day 2, orders parts from Quality who sends via UPS and that takes 4 days. A week plus later the mechanic assembles the shifter and installs new cables and housing too. The customer winds up paying $85 and losing the use of the bike for over a week. The price is cheap because the shop likely had to spend 1 hour playing with the stuff. He does have new bartape and probably needed the cables and housing too. Frequently, the local shop just boxes the lever and sends it out to someone who knows how to repair and it winds up costing the customer about $100. Other than the levers, what component in particular do you feel is a great deal better in Campy than Shimano? I'd have to give plus signs to shimaNO for a splined bb, choices of cassette ranges, availability of aftermarket parts, hubs, and dual pivot brakes for both wheels that are comparatively inexpensive. Campy plus is a front shifter that is not indexed, internal derailleur cable routing (derailleur cables need replacement more frequently) and a brake lever that is independent to the shift paddle. I can shift any Shimano 9, Campy 10 and Campy 9 cassette with my 10 sp Ergo and I like to feel the clicks/snaps when shifting. Specific to my tandem, the shifters, rear derailleur, and stoker crankarm are Campy. Everything else is Shimano and I wouldn't change. My singles are Ergo from Record down to Mirage and, to Campy's credit, they all work the same and I'd expect that they'll have the same lifespan. |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
Paul Kopit wrote in
: The typical G springs repair and a set of hoods will set you back $70. That's $10 for the springs and $35 for the hoods plus $25 labor. Why do you need new hoods, mine have done 35,000k and are worn but still OK. A set of housing is $35. Housings?? The majority of local shops don't have a clue as to how to work with Campy components You must really live in Podunk. The story is not untypical. Sad story. Other than the levers, what component in particular do you feel is a great deal better in Campy than Shimano? So both do well, something I would agree with but you can rebuild the Campy at far less than you have claimed. Specific to my tandem, the shifters, rear derailleur, and stoker crankarm are Campy. Everything else is Shimano and I wouldn't change. My singles are Ergo from Record down to Mirage and, to Campy's credit, they all work the same and I'd expect that they'll have the same lifespan. Just don't replace the hoods un-necessarily and you will be way ahead. |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
Mike Latondresse wrote:
Why do you need new hoods, mine have done 35,000k and are worn but still OK. They can develop splits in uncomfortable places. ~PB |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
How much does it _normally_ cost to get a pair of Campagnolo G-springs
installed? Not the $85 horror story version. More like $35 How much does a similar repair (replacement) cost with Ultegra/Dura Ace? $200? $300? And usually that's about the same mileage increment as an Ergo rebuild. There are good and poor aspects of both brands but shifters and shifter service are a clear Campagnolo edge. But how many perfectly-good Shimano levers are tossed because nobody realized they just needed a bit of powerlube (available at better auto-parts stores everywhere) shot into them? It's my experience that a Shimano lever will, with nothing more than a shot of powerlube now and then, go quite a bit longer than a Campy will before it has to be rebuilt. There's also Campy's current attitude that virtually nothing is defective, vs Shimano being pretty lenient about things that are actually sent back to them. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "A Muzi" wrote in message ... "Paul Kopit" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 00:39:13 GMT, "bob" wrote: But, I will not ever spend a penny on a Shimano product. The idea is to replace all Shimano as it makes sense. Don't abandon Shimano so fast. You will miss out on a lot. I happen to have a special liking for Campy but I would not abandon Shimano. Repair parts for Campy are costly if you don't do the repair yourself. The typical G springs repair and a set of hoods will set you back $70. That's $10 for the springs and $35 for the hoods plus $25 labor. A set of housing is $35. Within 3 years of normal riding you can expect to pay $105 for replacement parts on a set of levers that you can buy for ~$100. And remember, nothing broke. The replacement rear derailleur cages cost like the entire unit. The majority of local shops don't have a clue as to how to work with Campy components and don't even stock them. Repair parts? The shops don't even like to order them. Remember, those that participate here on usenet are very savy consumers and many skilled mehanically. The story is not untypical. A guy I train with on Wed. had a broken right Record lever. Takes to decent local shop. Day 1, Mechanic needs to take lever off to see that a spring carrier and springs are needed. Bar tape gets mangled. Day 2, orders parts from Quality who sends via UPS and that takes 4 days. A week plus later the mechanic assembles the shifter and installs new cables and housing too. The customer winds up paying $85 and losing the use of the bike for over a week. The price is cheap because the shop likely had to spend 1 hour playing with the stuff. He does have new bartape and probably needed the cables and housing too. Frequently, the local shop just boxes the lever and sends it out to someone who knows how to repair and it winds up costing the customer about $100. Other than the levers, what component in particular do you feel is a great deal better in Campy than Shimano? I'd have to give plus signs to shimaNO for a splined bb, choices of cassette ranges, availability of aftermarket parts, hubs, and dual pivot brakes for both wheels that are comparatively inexpensive. Campy plus is a front shifter that is not indexed, internal derailleur cable routing (derailleur cables need replacement more frequently) and a brake lever that is independent to the shift paddle. I can shift any Shimano 9, Campy 10 and Campy 9 cassette with my 10 sp Ergo and I like to feel the clicks/snaps when shifting. Specific to my tandem, the shifters, rear derailleur, and stoker crankarm are Campy. Everything else is Shimano and I wouldn't change. My singles are Ergo from Record down to Mirage and, to Campy's credit, they all work the same and I'd expect that they'll have the same lifespan. Paul, I think you were correct and evenhanded so far as it goes but- How much does it _normally_ cost to get a pair of Campagnolo G-springs installed? Not the $85 horror story version. More like $35 How much does a similar repair (replacement) cost with Ultegra/Dura Ace? $200? $300? And usually that's about the same mileage increment as an Ergo rebuild. There are good and poor aspects of both brands but shifters and shifter service are a clear Campagnolo edge. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 04:14:59 GMT, Mike Latondresse
wrote: Why do you need new hoods, mine have done 35,000k and are worn but still OK. I really do believe that within 3 years of use, most users will replace one set of G springs, hoods, cables and housing, and bartape. When the lever is off to replace the G springs, the rest of the items are likely to be near replacement. If you do it all yourself like lots of people that participate on rec.bicycles.* on usenet, it is a simple and inexpensive job. If you are an average consumer it will cost way more. If you use a local shop that knows how, you will really pay $100+. I live in Los Angeles and went into several large, reputable shops to buy G springs. Not in stock or only for sale to someone having the shop install. One shop wants to give me levers for the repair because I'd turn around faster than their regular fixer. Andrew Muzi mentioned that the spring replacement is a $35 job but I haven't found one person that had the job done that didn't wind up with a $50+ repair. And, yes, Campy is reparable and my favorite stuff by far but I would not abandon Shimano. Actually, I don't know why anyone would want STI vs Ergo, but that is my opinion. And, my favorite reminder, since 90+% adult bicycles will go less than 2,000 miles in their lifetime, longevity is not a factor for the garage bicycles. |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:02:38 +0100, "Pete Biggs"
wrote: Mike Latondresse wrote: Why do you need new hoods, mine have done 35,000k and are worn but still OK. They can develop splits in uncomfortable places. I ride on the hoods and will wear the hoods at the rate I wear the bartape. The hoods get very thin and uncomfortable for me. |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
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Paul Kopit wrote: Repair parts for Campy are costly if you don't do the repair yourself. The typical G springs repair and a set of hoods will set you back $70. That's $10 for the springs and $35 for the hoods plus $25 labor. A set of housing is $35. Within 3 years of normal riding you can expect to pay $105 for replacement parts on a set of levers that you can buy for ~$100. And remember, nothing broke. The replacement rear derailleur cages cost like the entire unit. The majority of local shops don't have a clue as to how to work with Campy components and don't even stock them. Repair parts? The shops don't even like to order them. Remember, those that participate here on usenet are very savy consumers and many skilled mehanically. I always assumed people come here so they can become more savvy consumers and more skilled mechanically, I think it's reasonable to tell people the parts and instructions they need to fix it themselves. A frugal person will use the information and a lazy person with lots of money will patronize the bike shop. Both ways are OK, I don't think less of the guy who pays someone to work on his bike. I think anyone with reasonable use of their fingers can learn to take apart an ergo lever, and if they think they can't well they should have gone to a bike shop instead of to rec.bicycles.tech. I am not surprised to learn that a shop wasn't prepared to do this work, but depending on which city you're talking about, there is probably a shop in the area that has the parts on hand and knows how to use them. The person in the example you mentioned apparently hasn't learned about keeping a spare bike yet? :-) --Paul |
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WTB: Campy brake levers- All Shimano goes.
paul- If you
are an average consumer it will cost way more. If you use a local shop that knows how, you will really pay $100+. BRBR $92 at my shop- Andrew Muzi mentioned that the spring replacement is a $35 job but I haven't found one person that had the job done that didn't wind up with a $50+ repair. BRBR Ask any of my or Andy's customers...typical OVH and spring replace is $33... Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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