Cycle lights no longer needed.

"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:

"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

The government are going to replace the entire UK car fleet with free Mercs!

That is FANTASTIC news!

When do we get our two?

"JNugent" wrote in message
...
On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:

"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

The government are going to replace the entire UK car fleet with free
Mercs!

That is FANTASTIC news!

When do we get our two?

You actually WANT a Mercedes?

On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:
"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

-- .
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http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.


Where can I stake my claim to one?

But apart from that :-

1 How does that change the law?
2 What about cars that do not have this ability?
3 What would happen if another road user would be dazzled?
4 What happens this year?
5 You are always telling us that automated car systems are not reliable,
why have you changed your mind?
6 Does this system absolved cyclists looking after their own safety?
7 Why have you not answered my question about cyclists lights?



--
Tony Dragon

On Dec 10, 5:52*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:



"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
*http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Where can I stake my claim to one?

But apart from that :-

1 How does that change the law?
2 What about cars that do not have this ability?
3 What would happen if another road user would be dazzled?
4 What happens this year?
5 You are always telling us that automated car systems are not reliable,
why have you changed your mind?
6 Does this system absolved cyclists looking after their own safety?
7 Why have you not answered my question about cyclists lights?

--
Tony Dragon

May I add
8 Why are you an idiot?

On 10/12/2010 17:48, Graham Harrison wrote:

"JNugent" wrote:
On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:

"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

The government are going to replace the entire UK car fleet with free Mercs!
That is FANTASTIC news!
When do we get our two?

You actually WANT a Mercedes?

Only on the terms implied by Doug.

And not "a" Mercedes. It'll have to be two (three if my resident youngest son
is incuded).

On Dec 10, 5:32*pm, Doug wrote:
"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mohttp://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

So what about the vast majority of cars on the road that are not
Mercedes? What if the system detects another road user that may be
dazzled and overrides the cyclist detection system?

I therefore believe it is still safer for cyclists to carry working
lights at night, not that many of them do so! Doug is just trying to
find another justification for those idiotic cheapskate cyclists who
don't carry lights at night.

Derek C

On 11/12/2010 21:44, Phil W Lee wrote:
considered Fri, 10 Dec 2010
09:53:36 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write:

On Dec 10, 5:52 pm, Tony wrote:
On 10/12/2010 17:32, Doug wrote:



"Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mo
http://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Where can I stake my claim to one?

But apart from that :-

1 How does that change the law?
2 What about cars that do not have this ability?
3 What would happen if another road user would be dazzled?
4 What happens this year?
5 You are always telling us that automated car systems are not reliable,
why have you changed your mind?
6 Does this system absolved cyclists looking after their own safety?
7 Why have you not answered my question about cyclists lights?

--
Tony Dragon

May I add
8 Why are you an idiot?

And 9, How does it illuminate the cyclist or pedestrian with one of
the main headlights without dazzling them?

If it can't manage that, it'll be illegal in the UK anyway.

Highway Code:
114

You MUST NOT

* use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort
to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

[Law RVLR reg 27]

Restrictions on the use of lamps other than those to which regulation
24 refers*

27. No person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any
vehicle on which any lamp, hazard warning signal device or warning
beacon of a type specified in an item in column 2 of the Table below
is used in a manner specified in that item in column 3.
TABLE
(1) (2) (3)

Item No.Type of lamp, hazard warning
signal device or warning
beacon Manner of use prohibited

1 Headlamp (a)Used so as to cause undue
dazzle or discomfort to other
persons using the road.

(b)Used so as to be lit when a
vehicle is parked.

2 Front fog lamp (a)Used so as to cause undue
dazzle or discomfort to other
persons using the road.

(b)Used so as to be lit at any
time other than in conditions
of seriously reduced
visibility.

(c)Used so as to be lit when a
vehicle is parked.

3 Rear fog lamp (a)Used so as to cause undue
dazzle or discomfort to the
driver of a following vehicle.

(b)Used so as to be lit at any
time other than in conditions
of seriously reduced
visibility.

(c)Save in the case of an
emergency vehicle, used so as
to be lit when a vehicle is
parked.

4 Reversing lamp Used so as to be lit except
for the purpose of reversing
the vehicle.

5 Hazard warning signal device Used other than-
(i) to warn persons using the
road of a temporary
obstruction when the
vehicle is at rest; or

(ii) on a motorway or
unrestricted
dual-carriageway, to warn
following drivers of a
need to slow down due to
a temporary obstruction
ahead; or

(iii)in the case of a bus, to
summon assistance for the
driver or any person
acting as a conductor or
inspector on the vehicle.

6 Warning beacon emitting blue Used so as to be lit except-
light and special warning lamp (i) at the scene of an
emergency; or

(ii) when it is necessary or
desirable either to
indicate to persons using
the road the urgency of
the purpose for which the
vehicle is being used, or
to warn persons of the
presence of the vehicle
or a hazard on the road.

7 Warning beacon emitting Used so as to be lit except-
amber light
(i) at the scene of an
emergency;

(ii) when it is necessary or
desirable to warn persons
of the presence of the
vehicle; and

(iii)in the case of a
breakdown vehicle, while
it is being used in
connection with, and in
the immediate vicinity
of, an accident or
breakdown, or while it is
being used to draw a
broken-down vehicle.

8 Warning beacon emitting Used so as to be lit except
green light whilst occupied by a medical
practitioner registered by the
General Medical Council
(whether with full,
provisional or limited
registration) and used for the
purposes of an emergency.

9 Warning beacon emitting Used so as to be lit on a
yellow light road.

10 Work lamp (a)Used so as to cause undue
dazzle or discomfort to the
driver of any vehicle.

(b)Used so as to be lit except
for the purpose of
illuminating a working area,
accident, breakdown or works
in the vicinity of the
vehicle.

11 Any other lamp Used so as to cause undue
dazzle or discomfort to other
persons using the road.

*Regulation 24 covers the use of front and rear position lamps, rear
registration plate lamps, side marker lamps and end-outline marker
lamps.

This thread arises because he will not answer the question about cyclist
lights.

--
Tony Dragon

On Dec 11, 7:52*am, Derek C wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:32*pm, Doug wrote: "Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mohttp://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

So what about the vast majority of cars on the road that are not
Mercedes? *What if the system detects another road user that may be
dazzled and overrides the cyclist detection system?

I therefore believe it is still safer for cyclists to carry working
lights at night, not that many of them do so! *Doug is just trying to
find another justification for those idiotic cheapskate cyclists who
don't carry lights at night.

While you, apparently, wish to find any excuse to blame vulnerable
victims and justify their motorised killers.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 12/12/2010 07:39, Doug wrote:
On Dec 11, 7:52 am, Derek wrote:
On Dec 10, 5:32 pm, wrote: "Mercedes cars will from next year have the ability at night and in
poor visibility to detect cyclists and pedestrians long before the
driver and pick them out with a spotlight.

The Active Night View Assist Plus uses an infra-red camera to detect
cyclists and pedestrians at a distance of up to 80m. They are then
illuminated by one of the main headlights, unless the system detects
another road user that may be dazzled by the light..."

Mohttp://www.eta.co.uk/2010/12/09/car-...light-bicycles

So what about the vast majority of cars on the road that are not
Mercedes? What if the system detects another road user that may be
dazzled and overrides the cyclist detection system?

I therefore believe it is still safer for cyclists to carry working
lights at night, not that many of them do so! Doug is just trying to
find another justification for those idiotic cheapskate cyclists who
don't carry lights at night.

While you, apparently, wish to find any excuse to blame vulnerable
victims and justify their motorised killers.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.



Yes Doug you are so right, he wants to blame people who are blameworthy,
can't have that can we.

By the way, you still have not answered the question asked.

--
Tony Dragon