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Judge dismisses Armstrong's case against USADA
On Aug 22, 8:50*pm, TheCoz wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:09*am, raamman wrote: On Aug 21, 10:35*am, Randall wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, DirtRoadie wrote: On Aug 21, 1:01 am, Randall wrote: Things don't look good for Lance. Lance has very little chance of winning with the USADA. Lance's only hope is either to appeal to higher court or the CAS He probably has no appeal to the CAS until AFTER the initial arbitration has taken place, and there is little basis for an appeal to a "higher" court since the judge, as one basis for his decision, simply declined to exercise his discretion to grant the equitable relief (injunction) LA had requested. DR Yes sorry, I forgot to mention that Lance cannot appeal to the CAS until after his USADA arbitration hearing. The problem is that the USADA is acting as judge, jury and prosecutor. The charges in Lance's case are vague enough to ensure a plausible guilty finding. The CAS seems biased as well, but I have not see enough evidence to validate this. Personally I think Lance should have had the chance to have his case heard in court. In the end I think Lance will lose and this will be travesty for cycling. the fallout will be the end of livestrong and its help for cancer sufferers and their families- which I have heard has been very important. I think it is almost insane that in the name of fairness to other atheletes the lynch mob is going to crucify Lance and pull the rug out from under livestrong and those who need their services. the lives destroyed by cancer are far more important than the integrity of any sport I wouldn't think Livestrong would be affected too much. I see it as a whole different business than cycling and only LA is connected to it from his development of the program. He associated cycling to it due to his success in cycling and used cycling for advertisement purpose only. If LA is found guilty some revenue may be lost, and a few people may shy away from it's service. But it is a big operation and has done well for the patients who need it to desolve it due to LA's bad judgments in life. It will probably pull Lance from it's main focus and use other venues to help promote it's services. Coz I think the important thing to remember here is "which of the other dopers are going to get the TdF wins?". I don't have the link at hand but I understand there is only one "non- doper" (a rider not convicted, associated, etc. with doping) out of all the top ten finishers on GC in the years Lance won the TdF. Its = possessive, it's a contraction of "it is". Contrary, but such is English, the Language. Blame it on D. Crockett, he flies the flag. --D-y |
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Judge dismisses Armstrong's case against USADA
atriage wrote:
That's a troll...right? I mean surely you don't actually believe that ****? LANCE has two guns and a Philly sucks T shirt. |
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Fred Flintstein wrote:
I think the guy that is worried about fallout is George Hincapie. The guy that has his name on his business. As I think about it, Vaughters might be losing sleep also. But that's the price he pays for all that 'race clean' hypocrisy when your guys are loading up like everybody else. Just so long as there's no Tailwind involved. |
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Judge dismisses Armstrong's case against USADA
Randall wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, DirtRoadie wrote: On Aug 21, 1:01 am, Randall wrote: Things don't look good for Lance. Lance has very little chance of winning with the USADA. Lance's only hope is either to appeal to higher court or the CAS He probably has no appeal to the CAS until AFTER the initial arbitration has taken place, and there is little basis for an appeal to a "higher" court since the judge, as one basis for his decision, simply declined to exercise his discretion to grant the equitable relief (injunction) LA had requested. DR Yes sorry, I forgot to mention that Lance cannot appeal to the CAS until after his USADA arbitration hearing. The problem is that the USADA is acting as judge, jury and prosecutor. The charges in Lance's case are vague enough to ensure a plausible guilty finding. The CAS seems biased as well, but I have not see enough evidence to validate this. What the **** are you talking about? USADA is the prosecutor, not the jury or the judge. The American Arbitration Association is the judge and jury. Sounds you've been reading too many of Fabio's press releases. Magilla |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:45:38 -0400, Magilla Gorilla
wrote: Randall wrote: Yes sorry, I forgot to mention that Lance cannot appeal to the CAS until after his USADA arbitration hearing. The problem is that the USADA is acting as judge, jury and prosecutor. The charges in Lance's case are vague enough to ensure a plausible guilty finding. The CAS seems biased as well, but I have not see enough evidence to validate this. What the **** are you talking about? USADA is the prosecutor, not the jury or the judge. The American Arbitration Association is the judge and jury. Sounds you've been reading too many of Fabio's press releases. Magilla That's my call as well. I don't know how USADA can say they can strip Lonestar of his tour titles and prize money without first having the panel of arbitrators finding him guilty of at least some of the charges and making an award for such. I'd think USADA should still have to put on its case and present its evidence. If Lonestar doesn't participate in the arbitration, that's his call. Certainly wouldn't be the first time a case was heard ex parte. But I think the appearance of fairness (plus we'd all get to hear the witnesses/evidence) demands that the arbitration process still has to run its course. ------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida Our 29th year http://businesscycles.com ------------------------------- |
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--D-y wrote: On Aug 22, 8:50*pm, TheCoz wrote: On Aug 21, 10:09*am, raamman wrote: On Aug 21, 10:35*am, Randall wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, DirtRoadie wrote: On Aug 21, 1:01 am, Randall wrote: Things don't look good for Lance. Lance has very little chance of winning with the USADA. Lance's only hope is either to appeal to higher court or the CAS He probably has no appeal to the CAS until AFTER the initial arbitration has taken place, and there is little basis for an appeal to a "higher" court since the judge, as one basis for his decision, simply declined to exercise his discretion to grant the equitable relief (injunction) LA had requested. DR Yes sorry, I forgot to mention that Lance cannot appeal to the CAS until after his USADA arbitration hearing. The problem is that the USADA is acting as judge, jury and prosecutor. The charges in Lance's case are vague enough to ensure a plausible guilty finding. The CAS seems biased as well, but I have not see enough evidence to validate this. Personally I think Lance should have had the chance to have his case heard in court. In the end I think Lance will lose and this will be travesty for cycling. the fallout will be the end of livestrong and its help for cancer sufferers and their families- which I have heard has been very important. I think it is almost insane that in the name of fairness to other atheletes the lynch mob is going to crucify Lance and pull the rug out from under livestrong and those who need their services. the lives destroyed by cancer are far more important than the integrity of any sport I wouldn't think Livestrong would be affected too much. I see it as a whole different business than cycling and only LA is connected to it from his development of the program. He associated cycling to it due to his success in cycling and used cycling for advertisement purpose only. If LA is found guilty some revenue may be lost, and a few people may shy away from it's service. But it is a big operation and has done well for the patients who need it to desolve it due to LA's bad judgments in life. It will probably pull Lance from it's main focus and use other venues to help promote it's services. Coz I think the important thing to remember here is "which of the other dopers are going to get the TdF wins?". I don't have the link at hand but I understand there is only one "non- doper" (a rider not convicted, associated, etc. with doping) out of all the top ten finishers on GC in the years Lance won the TdF. Its = possessive, it's a contraction of "it is". Contrary, but such is English, the Language. Blame it on D. Crockett, he flies the flag. --D-y The rules already cover this. The winner is the cyclist who finished behind Lance. And if that rider was also DQ'ed, then the winner is the next rider. There's no debate about how this is done. Magilla |
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On 24/08/2012 6:45 PM, Magilla Gorilla wrote:
Randall wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, DirtRoadie wrote: On Aug 21, 1:01 am, Randall wrote: Things don't look good for Lance. Lance has very little chance of winning with the USADA. Lance's only hope is either to appeal to higher court or the CAS He probably has no appeal to the CAS until AFTER the initial arbitration has taken place, and there is little basis for an appeal to a "higher" court since the judge, as one basis for his decision, simply declined to exercise his discretion to grant the equitable relief (injunction) LA had requested. DR Yes sorry, I forgot to mention that Lance cannot appeal to the CAS until after his USADA arbitration hearing. The problem is that the USADA is acting as judge, jury and prosecutor. The charges in Lance's case are vague enough to ensure a plausible guilty finding. The CAS seems biased as well, but I have not see enough evidence to validate this. What the **** are you talking about? USADA is the prosecutor, not the jury or the judge. The American Arbitration Association is the judge and jury. Sounds you've been reading too many of Fabio's press releases. Magilla Does the USADA run world cycling? Or is that body the Union Cycliste Internationale? Quote: "The UCI notes Lance Armstrong’s decision not to proceed to arbitration in the case that USADA has brought against him. The UCI recognises that USADA is reported as saying that it will strip Mr. Armstrong of all results from 1998 onwards in addition to imposing a lifetime ban from participating in any sport which recognises the World Anti-Doping Code. Article 8.3 of the WADC states that where no hearing occurs the Anti-Doping Organisation with results management responsibility shall submit to the parties concerned (Mr Armstrong, WADA and UCI) a reasoned decision explaining the action taken. As USADA has claimed jurisdiction in the case the UCI expects that it will issue a reasoned decision in accordance with Article 8.3 of the Code. Until such time as USADA delivers this decision the UCI has no further comment to make." And nor do I. Ca va? Still enjoying the Vuelta! -- Chris 'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.' (Oscar Wilde.) |
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