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Old July 18th 18, 07:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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lou.holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 5:01:16 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:


Then why do you ridicule my preparedness when you know that in our area
MTB use is often required to get to certain places?


It is hard not to ridicule your preparedness when 99% of us find your
measurements heavily exaggerated. I don't go for a ride with the idea
that I might have to save someone from dying. Fortunately for us we don"t
meet those people. All those idiots bump into you.

On the other hand I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by someone who had
a flat and no spare or pump. I gave him a tube and spent a CO2 cartridge
(I carry two of each). He insisted that I gave hime my bankaccount number
so he could compensate me for the costs (6.5 euro for the tube and 1.50
euro for the CO2 cartridge). I'm still waiting. Next time he can use my
phone to call a cab/his wife or he can walk...


F*ck those cashless clowns! What, hand them your phone next time?? Next
time, just take their rings, no weeny 27.5, only 585+! /streetsmarts


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Old July 18th 18, 07:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Duane writes:

On 18/07/2018 12:03 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Duane writes:

On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote:

In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists
who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they
don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger
against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other
for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a
cyclist. It's disgusting.


Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these
cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them
with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this
behavior...


I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road
instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry
tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake.


Yeah, but you don't live "out there" where things get really
hairy. You're probably only riding in the pacific traffic on Comm
Ave...


I know some dogs that eagerly grab used tissues, I suppose the mountain
lions might do the job out on the wild frontier.

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Old July 18th 18, 10:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 7/18/2018 12:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure.

I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump.


A couple years ago, after some health problems, I went on a club ride
that was nearly too much for me. It was very hot, and I think my recent
bronchitis was still constricting my breathing. I was fighting to keep up.

As we were climbing on one of the more remote roads around here, one guy
flatted. Normally I'm one of the chief flat fixers, but I lay my bike
down, then lay myself down on its downhill side and propped my feet up
on the handlebars, trying to get some strength back.

Lucky for me, the repair was a disaster. They put in one spare tube, but
it was leaking badly. They put another tube in and tried inflating it
with CO2. The CO2 fitting somehow misfired. They wasted another CO2...
and so on.

I finally got up and gave them my full-size Zefal pump, the only
inflating device I ever carry. (Except on the folding bike, where I
have a mini pump stashed.)

They succeeded with the Zefal. And I had recovered enough that I was OK
the rest of the ride, and perfect after a Dairy Queen stop for a bunch
of Mountain Dew.

I think if I were to carry anything else on the bike, it would be
Mountain Dew.

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Old July 18th 18, 10:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/18/2018 12:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
sms writes:

I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all
have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There
are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate
locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes,
but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and
park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way
specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking
lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no
parking lot, though there is street parking close by.


Different worlds, I guess.Â* Where to put the parking lots is a major
bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here.Â* Nothing freezes
the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone,
somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack
toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose.


One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to Carmel.
Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly used by
cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's Wharf
area of Monterey.

We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside, but
there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points, and
the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to mind if
you park in the more remote sections of the lot.

Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a
parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited
street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal Springs
Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking.
https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y.


The salient point is not that there is a specially constructed parking
lot at each end. Obviously, in some areas they may not have room to
dedicate to a parking lot, so users park on the streets. The salient
point is that the typical trail users (really, almost ALL trail users in
almost all areas) use a car to haul their bike to the trail.

On all trails within 30 miles of my home, there is almost exactly zero
use of the trail for anything but out-and-back recreation. They park,
offload the bike, ride out, ride back, then drive back home.

Joerg, the master of "one example to the contrary," can doubtlessly
provide a photo of a guy in a suit riding with a briefcase. But if I
started posting photographs of the arrive-by-car, out-and-back crowd,
I'd overfill the internet.


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Old July 18th 18, 10:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:08:23 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/18/2018 12:15 PM, jbeattie wrote:

I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure.

I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump.


A couple years ago, after some health problems, I went on a club ride
that was nearly too much for me. It was very hot, and I think my recent
bronchitis was still constricting my breathing. I was fighting to keep up..

As we were climbing on one of the more remote roads around here, one guy
flatted. Normally I'm one of the chief flat fixers, but I lay my bike
down, then lay myself down on its downhill side and propped my feet up
on the handlebars, trying to get some strength back.

Lucky for me, the repair was a disaster. They put in one spare tube, but
it was leaking badly. They put another tube in and tried inflating it
with CO2. The CO2 fitting somehow misfired. They wasted another CO2...
and so on.

I finally got up and gave them my full-size Zefal pump, the only
inflating device I ever carry. (Except on the folding bike, where I
have a mini pump stashed.)

They succeeded with the Zefal. And I had recovered enough that I was OK
the rest of the ride, and perfect after a Dairy Queen stop for a bunch
of Mountain Dew.

I think if I were to carry anything else on the bike, it would be
Mountain Dew.


I can tell the same story, except with my clown pump -- and donettes. The Zefals don't fit on any of my bikes, and the thumb-locks go flaccid, so the lever flops out and hangs up on stuff. I have a Road Morph on my commuter which is a nice split the difference with a hose and teeny-tiny foot flap for operating the pump like a clown-sized floor pump. It also has a built in gauge, which is great if you have 20-10 vision.

Lots of dopes waste CO2 cartridges and some are duds from the factory. Follow directions and they're great -- usually. But you only carry a few, and I bring a back-up pump. Many do not.

If you're riding with a lot of people, you're usually O.K., so long as everyone is not a dope with no CO2 or pump. I guess the moral of the story is be careful picking your riding companions.

IME, the most common other-people's flat repair problems is the failure to pack appropriate tubes -- like bringing tubes with a 32mm valve when you're riding 50mm aero wheels. I was riding on some ordinary box-section wheels with too-long stems that looked like ovipositors from some giant insect and had to pull my one of my tubes to give to a friend who was riding aero wheels and brought a short spare tube. I took his spare. It was kind of long process, and I did the work while he fended off mountain lion attacks, hunted for water and performed CPR on several nearby cyclists who had succumbed to heat prostitution. After that, we went to a nearby brew pub on a bike path and had a quadruple IPA that was excellent, but not as good as my home-brew. I don't know why professional brewers can't get it right.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old July 19th 18, 12:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-07-18 14:18, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/18/2018 12:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
sms writes:

I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all
have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There
are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate
locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes,
but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and
park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way
specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking
lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no
parking lot, though there is street parking close by.

Different worlds, I guess. Where to put the parking lots is a major
bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here. Nothing freezes
the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone,
somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack
toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose.


One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to
Carmel. Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly
used by cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's
Wharf area of Monterey.

We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside,
but there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points,
and the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to
mind if you park in the more remote sections of the lot.

Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a
parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited
street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal
Springs Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking.
https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y.


The salient point is not that there is a specially constructed parking
lot at each end. Obviously, in some areas they may not have room to
dedicate to a parking lot, so users park on the streets. The salient
point is that the typical trail users (really, almost ALL trail users in
almost all areas) use a car to haul their bike to the trail.


Not in Folsom, Rancho Cordova, Davis, et cetera. Why? Because they have
bike infrastructure connection neighborhood, shopping areas and work
places to the trail.

In many other places your statement is true. Why? Because there is no
bike infrastructure connecting to the trail and almost all cyclists hate
to ride in the lane.

We have mixed commuters which use car - bike or car - light rail -
bike. Most use the car because it's eitehr to far or there is a lack of
bike infrastructure.

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Old July 19th 18, 12:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-07-18 09:03, Radey Shouman wrote:
Duane writes:

On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote:

In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists
who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they
don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger
against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other
for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a
cyclist. It's disgusting.


Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these
cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them
with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this
behavior...


I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road
instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry
tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake.


I get mine out of a wonderful invention from of old: A pocket.

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Old July 19th 18, 02:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Joerg writes:

On 2018-07-18 09:03, Radey Shouman wrote:
Duane writes:

On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote:

In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists
who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they
don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger
against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other
for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a
cyclist. It's disgusting.


Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these
cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them
with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this
behavior...


I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road
instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry
tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake.


I get mine out of a wonderful invention from of old: A pocket.


Seriously? They don't get all damp and sweaty and ground into pieces?
Pockets work for old fashioned handkerchiefs, not so much for tissues,
in my experience.

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Old July 19th 18, 03:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/18/2018 9:52 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Pockets work for old fashioned handkerchiefs, not so much for tissues,
in my experience.


We've been riding the tandem a lot. My wife/stoker likes to stuff the
back pockets of my jersey with tissues.

My only chance for revenge is to forget they're there when I toss the
jersey in the laundry. When they get washed, tissue lint spreads
everywhere in the load of wash. She gets to clean that mess.

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Old July 19th 18, 06:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:56:20 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-07-16 18:42, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:33:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/16/2018 1:41 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-16 10:23, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/16/2018 1:19 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-16 09:08, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 7:56:37 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-15 15:01, jbeattie wrote:

[...]


We met at a coffee shop this morning, but I didn't partake. Got
up to 95F, and I ran out of water, so I stopped at a market with
my cohorts. Also stopped for a little ferry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEfIcrKZesw&t=3s What a beautiful
day it was. No pubs. Yesterday was a death ride with my son, and
no pubs -- although I did have a beer at home, and Tylenol.
Obviously two no-fun rides because they didn't involve a pub of
any kind.


Somewhere between 95-100F yesterday, did a 20-miler after church.

http://mikebikehike.com/wp-content/u...6/IMG_0140.jpg

No, this ain't my bike. In contrast to some here who find that
"unusual" lots of people in our area ride with panniers. For longer
rides in hilly terrain without water spigots there is no
alternative other that schlepping a hydration pack which will
result in profuse sweating. Or drink American River water and get
E-Coli.

Oh, and I had an IPA on the way back 8-)

Again, you're mixing road and trail. That's a road bike with
panniers with probably 28mm tires and, gasp, ordinary rim brakes.
It's not going trail riding any time soon.


I have Nashbar Daytrekker panniers on both my road bike and my MTB.


I don't think it's unusual to see road bikes with panniers. I
probably saw 20-30 cyclists with panniers on the way to work this
morning. I think its unusual to need panniers with tons of junk in
them for a recreational weekend ride with friends, and in your case,
drinking at a pub.


It is when you find another rider bleeding and in need of something to
stop that.

Because riding a bike is so damned dangerous, one comes across bleeding
riders nearly every day!!


A few times a year. They aren't always cyclists.

Well, at least ALL your "Danger! Danger!" isn't applied to cyclists.



Yeah, right, it's just hikers so they are not important? Many of the
dehydrated people I found were hikers that I encountered on my MTB.
Which is actually helpful because since I modified the back I can easily
carry over a gallon of water on the MTB.


Is that not worth it in
your opinion? You'd just bid them a good day and leave? I sure don't. As
the scouts say, be prepared, always.

I've seen only a tiny amount of bleeding in over 45 years of adult
cycling. And the "bleeding" I've seen would be better described as
seeping - specifically, the little bit of blood that comes from minor
road rash. What do I carry on my bike to prepare for that? Precisely
nothing.

My wife tends to worry a bit more than I do, and when attending a
certain medical seminar she was once given a tiny, near useless first
aid kit. She carried it in her bike bag for years and never used it. She
finally ditched it.

But we have no mountain lions around here, and our coyotes seem quite timid.

You would not believe how often my "excess baggage" has saved the day
for others with serious signs of dehydration and zero ounces in their
bottles.

You're right about that: I would not believe. Unless, that is, you're
going to give us a very, very low number.


One guy (on a hike in Yosemite) would most likely not have made it if it
wasn't for a large excess stash of water and food in our backpacks. ...
A Chinese tourist in Grand Canyon ran out of water and gave up on the
trail, in the glistening sun. Just wanted to "stay there". I have her a
lot of water and food until she perked up.

Oh, silly me. I thought we were talking about bicycling!


How strange.

Over here the Chinese tourists all travel in groups on pre-arranged
tours. There are two reasons for this, firstly some of the more remote
Chinese dialects probably won't be understood outside their local
regions and secondly that the Chinese, like the Japanese before them,
tend to be on prepaid tours. Pay the full amount of the tour tour cost
before you depart and enjoy a fun filled, jam packed, vacation with
every minute supervised by the tour guide.

We recently had a tour boat sink in Phuket and a number of Chinese
were drowned. The next morning the news announced that 27,000 Chinese
had cancelled their visit to Phuket. They seem to act as groups.

Wandering about alone and getting dehydrated just doesn't seem to
happen with the Chinese here. Strange that they are so different in
America.

Or perhaps they aren't. After all he quotes the Chinese saying "I
wanna stay here" something that would be impossible with a real
Chinese Tour member as he wouldn't have spoken English and if he were
speaking the kind of Chinese that you hear in N.E. Thailand it would
sound much like "Koi Yak Hi Chow You Mong Me".

But then the Chinese have figured in some of the more imaginative
writing. Remember Fu Manchu and the Yellow Peril ?


Believe it or not but there are Chinese who do speak English. There are
also Chinese who vacation like we used to, landing, renting a car and
heading out, sans pre-reserved hotel beds. Many did it like us,
reserving only the first and last night at a hotel near the airport. We
met many of them during our trips.

Of course there are. However on a proportion basis the vast bulk of
the Chinese "tourists", my guess is in the 90% range, are on these
prepaid tours. And the vast bulk do not speak a foreign language.

There are people in this world who, like us, can't stand being cooped up
in a tour bus and being told "Hurry, we've only got 20 minutes here".

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