Torygraph argues that driving crime is not real crime...

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:35:12 +0100, "dwb"
wrote (more or less):

Colin McKenzie wrote:

Mr Darling announced, a ouple of months ago, an average 40% drop in
casualties at speed camera sites.

Casualties does not equal deaths.

Annual road deaths are 3500, 40% of
that is 1400, so about 1400 deaths a year could be saved by universal
observance of speed limits. 1200 is an under-estimate!

But they _haven't_ dropped by that much.

Compare road deaths on 1990 with road deaths today.

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:38:56 GMT, zzapper
wrote (more or less):

On 22 Aug 2004 02:53:52 -0700, wrote:

Hi
I'm a car driver,cyclist and walker (in that order)

I'm perplexed that the Guardians of Public Order, Morality & Prurience (ie the Tory Papers) have a
persistent campaign against speed limits (sorry that's what it comes down to). Perhaps it's because
their very rich editors have country retreats and want to speed thru our country villages to get
home.

What's good about speed limits:-

Safer for kids,dogs, pedestrians and cyclists
Less car/tyre noise for locals:-
Accidents less catastrophic,
Car drivers get to the end of their journey less tired and stressed.

And given 1, 3 and 4 on that list, safer for drivers and their
passengers, too.

Better for car/environment
In many cases greater throughput of traffic.

BTW the hypocrites want to have lower speed limits outside schools KNOWING that very few Schools
actually have entrances onto main roads.


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Howard ) wrote:
: Speeding alone, one of the most common driving crimes, claiming about
: 1200 lives a year and being implicated in many more deaths and injuries.

Don't confuse speeding with excessive speed (within the limit). The 1200
figure (1/3) includes excessive speed.

Blair.

On 23/8/04 12:03 pm, in article , "B.G. Finlay
IT Services" wrote:

Howard ) wrote:
: Speeding alone, one of the most common driving crimes, claiming about
: 1200 lives a year and being implicated in many more deaths and injuries.

Don't confuse speeding with excessive speed (within the limit). The 1200
figure (1/3) includes excessive speed.

Driving too fast for the conditions is still speeding, whether or not it
exceeds the maximum posted limit. It is not the offence of exceeding the
posted speed limit but is still an offence.

...d

Nick Kew wrote:

What about smoking then - Shall we have a little jihad about that?
Why the foreign word in that? Is this a nasty stereotype?

It's a conceit used by the Western right-wing media to allow us to pretend
that terrorism is only really terrorism when conducted by people with brown
faces.

Quite appropriate in context, really, what with Howard's zero tolerance /
zero enforcement dichotomy.

Guy
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David Martin wrote:

Driving too fast for the conditions is still speeding, whether or not
it exceeds the maximum posted limit. It is not the offence of
exceeding the posted speed limit but is still an offence.

argumentative

What about cycling too fast for the conditions?

/a

dwb wrote:
David Martin wrote:

Driving too fast for the conditions is still speeding, whether or not
it exceeds the maximum posted limit. It is not the offence of
exceeding the posted speed limit but is still an offence.

argumentative

What about cycling too fast for the conditions?

/a

Bloody dangersous. You'll do yourself an injury.

dwb wrote:

Mr Darling announced, a ouple of months ago, an average 40% drop in
casualties at speed camera sites.

Casualties does not equal deaths.

I find this really hard to accept.

"Yes, Mrs Miggins, we know that there are gangs of youths roaming the town
centre and terrorising the populace, but we're not allowed to do anything
about it until they have killed four people within a two year period."

Imagine the outcry!

When the terrorising is done by middle aged men in suits, it is apparently a
grievous assault on our civil liberties to require them to obey the law of
the land.

Most odd.

Guy
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Simonb wrote:
dwb wrote:
David Martin wrote:

Driving too fast for the conditions is still speeding, whether or
not it exceeds the maximum posted limit. It is not the offence of
exceeding the posted speed limit but is still an offence.

argumentative

What about cycling too fast for the conditions?

/a

Bloody dangersous. You'll do yourself an injury.

Well yes - but shouldn't you be equallly legislated against, to protect
yourself and others?

ie. what's good for the goose, must be good for the gander.

dwb wrote:
Simonb wrote:
dwb wrote:
David Martin wrote:

Driving too fast for the conditions is still speeding, whether or
not it exceeds the maximum posted limit. It is not the offence of
exceeding the posted speed limit but is still an offence.

argumentative

What about cycling too fast for the conditions?

/a

Bloody dangersous. You'll do yourself an injury.

Well yes - but shouldn't you be equallly legislated against, to
protect yourself and others?

ie. what's good for the goose, must be good for the gander.

There is the offence of 'Furious Pedalling'.