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Old July 10th 08, 08:14 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.

Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.

Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.

Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-275-fine.html
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Old July 10th 08, 08:24 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:

A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.

Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.

Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.

Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-275-fine.html


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story

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Old July 10th 08, 08:26 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

SteveW wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:

A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.

Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.

Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.

Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-275-fine.html


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story


I predict that it will, to the extent that the lorry driver can be shown
to have seen the victim before the collision, but kept going anyway.
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Old July 10th 08, 08:31 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

On Jul 10, 8:24*am, SteveW wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:
A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.


Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.


Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.


Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...river-killed-c...


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story

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Yes a freak cyclist accident fined £2500 compared to a lorry crushing
a cyclist getting a £275 fine'. You can't stop accidents happening,
but a bike bumping into a pedestrian is far safer than road traffic vs
a cyslist.
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Old July 10th 08, 09:16 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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On Jul 10, 8:24 am, SteveW wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:
A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.


Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.


Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.


Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...river-killed-c...


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story

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Steve (3)


Yes a freak cyclist accident fined £2500 compared to a lorry crushing
a cyclist getting a £275 fine'. You can't stop accidents happening,
but a bike bumping into a pedestrian is far safer than road traffic vs
a cyslist.

Not when the cyclist shouts out that he won't change course or slow down, it
isn't quite the same thing. It would appear one was an accident and one was
deliberate.


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Old July 10th 08, 09:29 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

On Jul 10, 9:16*am, "Vernon" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jul 10, 8:24 am, SteveW wrote:





On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:
A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.


Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.


Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.


Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...river-killed-c....


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story


--
Steve (3)


Yes a freak cyclist accident fined £2500 compared to a lorry crushing
a cyclist getting a £275 fine'. You can't stop accidents happening,
but a bike bumping into a pedestrian is far safer than road traffic vs
a cyslist.

Not when the cyclist shouts out that he won't change course or slow down, it
isn't quite the same thing. It would appear one was an accident and one was
deliberate.- Hide quoted text -


Indeed this guy believed with extreme recklessness and his behaviour
begs the question as to why he was not charged with manslaughter
instead of causing death by dangerous use of a pedal cycle that does
not carry a custodial sentence.

As regards the other matter, if it could be shown to the satisfaction
of a jury that the driver had in fact seen and could have avoided the
accident then straight away the offence becomes causing death by
dangerous driving and possibly manslaugher.

AIUI there is a duty of care on all of us to avoid accidents if at all
possible even if we are "in the right".
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Old July 10th 08, 09:31 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with'ludicrous' £275 fine

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0100
"Vernon" wrote:

Not when the cyclist shouts out that he won't change course or slow
down, it isn't quite the same thing. It would appear one was an
accident and one was deliberate.

Neither was an accident - one was a result of a driver not bothering to
look properly, and the other apparently the result of reckless
stupidity apportioned between the two parties.

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Old July 10th 08, 09:43 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

Vernon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jul 10, 8:24 am, SteveW wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:
A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has walked
free from court with a fine of £275.
Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.
Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention and
was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.
Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...river-killed-c...

wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story

--
Steve (3)


Yes a freak cyclist accident fined £2500 compared to a lorry crushing
a cyclist getting a £275 fine'. You can't stop accidents happening,
but a bike bumping into a pedestrian is far safer than road traffic vs
a cyslist.

Not when the cyclist shouts out that he won't change course or slow down, it
isn't quite the same thing. It would appear one was an accident and one was
deliberate.


Agreed.

The other difference is that if there was any reason to believe that the
lorry driver had seen the cyclist but borne down on him regardless
(which is what the killer cyclist did in the other case), he would
certainly have been disqualified from driving and very heavily fined and
probably imprisoned as well.
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Old July 10th 08, 10:00 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

On Jul 10, 9:31*am, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:16:08 +0100

"Vernon" wrote:
Not when the cyclist shouts out that he won't change course or slow
down, it isn't quite the same thing. It would appear one was an
accident and one was deliberate.


Neither was an accident - one was a result of a driver not bothering to
look properly, and the other apparently the result of reckless
stupidity apportioned between the two parties.


In fact the law only accepts the notion of complete accident in rare
cases such as collapse of a driver, unforseeable mechanical failure
and so on. Form thereon it becomes a matter of degree.

We all make occasional errors such as missing a traffic sign or
failing to check a mirror. Such odd lapses are seen as careless. Where
it can be shown that a driver is deliberately flouting traffic
regulations and consistantly showing no due regard for other road
users then careless driving becomes the more serious dangerous driving
and can lead to charges outside Road Traffic law.

Take insurance claims. You will invariably be held liable for a
collision if you run into the back of somebody regardless of whether
they had good cause to slow down or stop. Similarly if a hit a
stationary vehicle no matter how badly it was parked your no claim
bonus will inevitably the one to go. Similarly reverse into somebody.
Makes no difference if they've hemmed you into your parking place so
tightly you can't get out easily.
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Old July 10th 08, 10:17 AM posted to uk.legal,uk.politics.misc,uk.media.tv.misc,uk.rec.cycling
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JNugent wrote:
SteveW wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:14:01 +0100, wrote:

A lorry driver who knocked down and killed a father-of-four has
walked free from court with a fine of £275.

Kashmir Nahal, 36, pulled out at a busy junction without looking and
crushed cyclist Glenn Syder as he rode to work.

Nahal admitted a charge of driving without due care and attention
and was handed the fine as well as six points on his licence.

Today Mr Syder's devastated widow dismissed the punishment as
"ludicrous".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-275-fine.html


wonder if this story will get as much "outrage" as the fine
for the cyclist in the other topical story


I predict that it will, to the extent that the lorry driver can be
shown to have seen the victim before the collision, but kept going
anyway.


Where do you get that from ?


 




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