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  #11  
Old February 4th 16, 10:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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JNugent wrote:
On 04/02/2016 20:43, John Smith wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote:
On 03/02/2016 23:48, Tom Crispin wrote:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35472617

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a
lifetime driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the owner of a bicycle whose
vehicle was used to deliberately harm an innocent bystander was
allowed to get away with failing to provide the rider's details? I
wonder why we have never heard of such a case..


Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children are allowed
to get away with a fine, no ban, no jail time. You cannot have it
every way.


Contract cancer, filth.


That's another example of something you never say.


He cocked up there.
What a piece of **** this person is. I won't call it a man.


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Old February 4th 16, 10:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:44:04 UTC, John Smith wrote:


Contract cancer, filth.


One at a time, please.

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Old February 5th 16, 09:31 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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On 04/02/2016 11:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:06:06 AM UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 03/02/2016 23:48, Tom Crispin wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35472617

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime
driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the owner of a bicycle whose
vehicle was used to deliberately harm an innocent bystander was allowed
to get away with failing to provide the rider's details? I wonder why
we have never heard of such a case..


Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children are allowed to get
away with a fine, no ban, no jail time. You cannot have it every way.


Philip Benwell didn't appear to "get away with it" when he got a 12 month
sentence.

So the case went through due process and the guilty party brought to
account for himself in court?

Just a £2,200 fine for Jason Howard, described as a 'vile little man' by
the deceased's father.


You said "Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children". Since
'cyclists' and 'children' are both plural words you're not doing very well
by having to cite an example from 8 years ago.

You could could also tell us the proportion of motorists that have received
more than a £2,200 fine after mowing a child down. You should have plenty of
examples because there will have been about 260 in those 8 years.



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Old February 5th 16, 12:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 05/02/2016 08:31, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...
On 04/02/2016 11:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:06:06 AM UTC, Mrcheerful wrote:
On 03/02/2016 23:48, Tom Crispin wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35472617

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime
driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the owner of a bicycle whose
vehicle was used to deliberately harm an innocent bystander was allowed
to get away with failing to provide the rider's details? I wonder why
we have never heard of such a case..


Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children are allowed to get
away with a fine, no ban, no jail time. You cannot have it every way.


Philip Benwell didn't appear to "get away with it" when he got a 12 month
sentence.

So the case went through due process and the guilty party brought to
account for himself in court?

Just a £2,200 fine for Jason Howard, described as a 'vile little man' by
the deceased's father.


You said "Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children". Since
'cyclists' and 'children' are both plural words you're not doing very well
by having to cite an example from 8 years ago.


There was also the little turd in Lancashire (Preston?) who deliberately
rode (at speed) along a footway and mowed down (not too strong a term) a
small girl in front of her horrified parents.

"This has ruined my life...", he whinged, when caught and facing
prosecution... "I didn't know it was an offence...", he wriggled.

But even citing that case isn't necessary. Stating case-types in the
plural is normal discourse in conversational English.

You could could also tell us the proportion of motorists that have received
more than a £2,200 fine after mowing a child down. You should have plenty of
examples because there will have been about 260 in those 8 years.


What?

*Deliberately* mowing down a child (which is the situation under
discussion)?

I'd say that that number was a huge... NIL.

Wouldn't you?
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Old February 5th 16, 12:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:48:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Crispin
wrote:

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.


Let us assume you were out on one of your "training" rides and fell
off when the first of the group fell off taking others with him, not
an uncommon event. Your leg was injured and an ambulance summoned.
Before being taken away you ask the group to take your car, left at
the clubhouse, home for you. When you get home you find your car in
your drive.

Later the police visit to tell you your car has been involved in an
accident and someone has died. They want to know who was driving. When
you ask you are told Bill and Fred took your car home. When
interviewed by the police Bill says Fred was driving, Fred says Bill
was driving.

You think it fair you should have a mandatory lifetime driving ban for
failing to give driver details?
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Old February 5th 16, 01:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:48:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Crispin
wrote:

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.


Let us assume you were out on one of your "training" rides and fell
off when the first of the group fell off taking others with him, not
an uncommon event. Your leg was injured and an ambulance summoned.
Before being taken away you ask the group to take your car, left at
the clubhouse, home for you. When you get home you find your car in
your drive.

Later the police visit to tell you your car has been involved in an
accident and someone has died. They want to know who was driving. When
you ask you are told Bill and Fred took your car home. When
interviewed by the police Bill says Fred was driving, Fred says Bill
was driving.

You think it fair you should have a mandatory lifetime driving ban for
failing to give driver details?


Well, no. Because you _have_ provided the details of the driver. But any
ambiguity could be prevented by not asking 'the group' to take your car
home. You ask one person, ensuring that he or she is insured and qualified
to drive your car.

And if neither Bill nor Fred want to admit to driving the car, then they
are both charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

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Old February 5th 16, 01:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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JNugent wrote:
On 04/02/2016 20:43, John Smith wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote:
On 03/02/2016 23:48, Tom Crispin wrote:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-35472617

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime
driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.

Can you imagine the public outcry if the owner of a bicycle whose
vehicle was used to deliberately harm an innocent bystander was allowed
to get away with failing to provide the rider's details? I wonder why we
have never heard of such a case..


Cyclists that deliberately run into and kill children are allowed to get
away with a fine, no ban, no jail time. You cannot have it every way.


Contract cancer, filth.


That's another example of something you never say.


Wrong yet again, thicko.

'says the depraved troll who wishes cancer on other peoples' children'
(Nugent, 02 February 2016)

When have I wished cancer on others' children?

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Old February 5th 16, 01:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Parry
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:05:39 +0000, John Smith
wrote:

Well, no. Because you _have_ provided the details of the driver.


You have provided details of a number of people, only one of whom
could have been driving. You have not identified the driver any more
than if you had provided the membership list of the club or the
electoral roll of the town.



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Old February 5th 16, 01:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 05/02/2016 11:53, Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:48:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Crispin
wrote:

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.


Let us assume you were out on one of your "training" rides and fell
off when the first of the group fell off taking others with him, not
an uncommon event. Your leg was injured and an ambulance summoned.
Before being taken away you ask the group to take your car, left at
the clubhouse, home for you. When you get home you find your car in
your drive.

Later the police visit to tell you your car has been involved in an
accident and someone has died. They want to know who was driving. When
you ask you are told Bill and Fred took your car home. When
interviewed by the police Bill says Fred was driving, Fred says Bill
was driving.

You think it fair you should have a mandatory lifetime driving ban for
failing to give driver details?


Of course.

That's what he said, isn't it?
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Old February 5th 16, 01:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 05/02/2016 12:05, John Smith wrote:
Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:48:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Crispin
wrote:

It is time that failing to provide driver details results in a lifetime driving ban.

This loophole must be closed.


Let us assume you were out on one of your "training" rides and fell
off when the first of the group fell off taking others with him, not
an uncommon event. Your leg was injured and an ambulance summoned.
Before being taken away you ask the group to take your car, left at
the clubhouse, home for you. When you get home you find your car in
your drive.

Later the police visit to tell you your car has been involved in an
accident and someone has died. They want to know who was driving. When
you ask you are told Bill and Fred took your car home. When
interviewed by the police Bill says Fred was driving, Fred says Bill
was driving.

You think it fair you should have a mandatory lifetime driving ban for
failing to give driver details?


Well, no. Because you _have_ provided the details of the driver. But any
ambiguity could be prevented by not asking 'the group' to take your car
home. You ask one person, ensuring that he or she is insured and qualified
to drive your car.

And if neither Bill nor Fred want to admit to driving the car, then they
are both charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.


Even though there is neither evidence nor even the slightest suggestion
of a conspiracy?

One of them is telling the truth, the other is not and neither of them
has entered into any conspiracy.

Fancy a lawyer with three law degrees not spotting that.
 




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