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snip- On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:41:55 -0700, dreaded wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:11:26 -0700, Terry Morse
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OK, I'll add my 2 cents to this. I always wave at Harleys and other
motorcycle types and they always wave back (the Harley types at least),
but then I ride in Levi type jeans and a ragged t-shirt.
None of that lycra stuff for me.
The Harley guys wave back and the pocket bikes usually don't. I used to
ride with the Harley crowd and they are a lot more sociable than they
get credit for, especially to another two wheel rider. What they would
do about some guy in lycra waving might be just to laugh, but then so
would I when I was on a big motorcycle.
On a bicycle I have been passed by 3 guys in lycra on road bikes an
they were too absorbed in themselves and their conversation to even wave
back. I know, they were training.?

Bill Baka

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i hate to rant on the NG but Jeez, it's all about uniforms isnt it? and
colors (whether it be oily levis or yellow lycra). i wear what's
comfortable
to train in and bright enough to be seen by those (maybe not paying
attention?). nobody ever waves to me, or, i didnt see them. im really
just
trying to survive out there and get a workout in the process. do you wave
and say hi to everyone you pass on foot? i would love to tell everyone on
the road how nice it is to see them but frankly i'm busy and my heart
rate
is going about 160. and no-i'm not a big fan of rec.bicycles.racing
either.
i get very bored when people start going off on politics.
-alan


Heck with the uniforms, I have done 80 miles in cutoff jeans and a t shirt.
I carry a kids large book backpack with tools, a gallon of O.J., a bunch
of bananas, some pre-baked potatoes, maybe somehigh calorie chocolate
snack cakes, my camera, and whatever other junk fits. It is very non
traditional but I am self contained for up to 80 miles, then I usually
run out of Orange Juice and fill up the gallon jug with mountain stream
water, bugs, fish ****, and all. I could go over 100 miles on one of
these trips but I could not claim a roadie century, since I do get off
the bike and enjoy the nature. This puts me more in tune with some of
the motorcycle crowd than the roadie crowd for some reason. I manage to
ride or hike enough to sometimes keep my heart rate up around 160-170 most
of the day, peaking at about 180 for short blasts. Nobody to wave to up
there but one guy on a motorcycle was surprised to see me and glad to wave
first. People seem to get friendlier the farther they get from the city
traffic.
I will have my Schwinn road bike going tomorrow but I will never get to
take it to all the interesting back woods hideouts I have found. Just
miles and miles of circles on what good pavement I can find.
And no damn lycra.
Bill Baka
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my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that sounds
to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is better
than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care what
people think when im riding. if i was trying to look cool i'd do something
else. fortunately im not, im trying to do something meaning ful. you know
there are plenty of synthetic fibers in that mojo of yours too. levis work
for you, lycra and gore tex works for me. i ride every day to get to work.
it rains here most of the time. if i wore levis in that i'd be 30 lbs
heavier and sick by the time i got to work. this is a bicycle NG. bikers are
fine, i know plenty. they understand whats going on out there on the road
better than most motorists- but attitudes about colors (and people) are the
same regardless of the color!
-alan

dreaded wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote ...
And no damn lycra.
Bill Baka
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my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that sounds
to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is better
than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care what
people think when im riding.

I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
I'd be in lycra.

Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
bike.

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
tried.

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"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message


[...]

Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish
there were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which
looked less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a
small town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got
there by bike.

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts
I've tried.

What about the so-called "shy shorts"? They look like regular shorts but
inside are a standard padded lycra cycling short.

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Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:52:28 +1000, , "DRS"
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I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts
I've tried.

What about the so-called "shy shorts"? They look like regular shorts but
inside are a standard padded lycra cycling short.

I've a pair of Sugoi's Conrad shorts that are comfortable. They have
stretch panels in the legs so they're not too baggy.
The Zoic shorts are okay though baggier and being cotton take longer
to dry.
I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.
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"Zoot Katz" wrote in message


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I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.

One option I forgot was that you can also get padded cycling underwear (ie,
http://www.netti.com.au/products/gen...rod uctID=280),
but if you don't like standard cycling shorts you probably won't like them
either.

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"Frank Krygowski" wrote


Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal.

Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

And for a lot of people, it works...

Pete

Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:42:45 +1000, , "DRS"
wrote:

"Zoot Katz" wrote in message


[...]

I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.

One option I forgot was that you can also get padded cycling underwear (ie,
http://www.netti.com.au/products/gen...rod uctID=280),
but if you don't like standard cycling shorts you probably won't like them
either.

Those are what I meant by "padded liners"
http://tinyurl.com/4mefy
I'll sometimes wear regular cycling shorts under baggies but the flat
waistband of the liners fits, feels and looks smoother.
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zk

"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
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Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
bike.

Personally, I like that people know I'm out riding my bike. It's sparked
more than one interesting conversation. And if people don't like how I
look, that's their problem, not mine.

Dave

In article , says...

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that,

I have a pair of Lake casual shoes that don't look at all like bike
shoes. Suede and canvas upper, sole looks like a 1970s sneaker, wide,
soft, flat shoe laces. They look just like casual sneakers except for
the recessed SPD cleat.

For work, I have an old pair of RaceVogs that look like good black
leather loafers, they just happen to have SPDs. (When those wear out, I
have another pair of them in a box somewhere, bought when they were on
closeout.)

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"Pete" wrote in message
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"Frank Krygowski" wrote


Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal.

Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

And for a lot of people, it works...

Pete



this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of pollution
(like visual noise). i sometimes cover them with reflective tape. a friend
of mine once became so freaked out by all the brands everywhere he covered
every label in his house with white tape! -a little extreme but i know how
he feels...(:-