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Is my Chain Set Worn?
Is my Chain Set Worn?
By Alastair Hamilton http://www.bikecyclingreviews.com/fa..._Set_Worn.html Alan Collett has been having problems with his drive train, he has bought a new chain and cassette and things are better, but not perfect as it still skips. He wants to know if this can be fixed by rear gear adjustments or if he will have to buy a new chain set also? Here is what we think Question: My Campagnolo Veloce 9 speed started skipping when pushing hard. As it has done several thousand miles I changed the chain and rear cassette. It now runs noticeably smoother in all respects except that it still skips. Can this be fixed by adjustments or will I need to replace the chain set as well. Hi Alan, Normally the chain set lasts a lot longer than the chain and cassette and should last you many years before needing replacing. If it did then you can replace the chain rings without having to replace everything, unless you want to up grade, of course. Worn Chain Ring? To tell if your chain rings are worn, or more precisely the teeth on the chain rings, if you can lift the chain off the chain ring teeth at one point while the chain is still wrapped round the chain ring, then it is worn, or look at the teeth on the chain ring, are they hooked? As you look at the tooth from the chain set side, leading face of the tooth or the right side, doesn't look like the other side, it has a hook look about it? If so then it is worn. As I said before the chain rings take a lot longer time to wear than the cassette, due to them being bigger and having more teeth to wear out. Rear Mech The Skipping First, does it skip on all the gears? If so it's probably a cable adjustment that is needed. Make sure that the chain is running OK on the smallest cog on the cassette and doesn't need the adjusting screw turned to let the rear mech move out or not go as far as it is doing. If this is good then change from the first sprocket to the second, if it is not moving up enough then you need to tighten the cable with the adjuster on the rear mech, if it is going to far then you need to let the cable out a little. Once you have the perfect change between the first and the second cog on the cassette then all the others should be good too, run through all the gears on the big and small chain rings to make sure they are good and that should be you with perfect gears. Cable Adjuster If it is still skipping then it is possibly a stiff link and as this is a new chain it will probably be the link that was used to join it, its always a good idea to clean a new chain as it is packed with a very sticky grease that it used to stop the chains from going rusty when they are in transit or in storage. Clean the chain with degreaser or a thin oil and remember to re-oil it afterwards, it will run much more smoothly. If all this doesn't help drop us another line and you can let us know how you get on. |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
On Jun 2, 11:51 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:
Ablang wrote: Is my Chain Set Worn? By Alastair Hamilton http://www.bikecyclingreviews.com/fa..._Set_Worn.html {snip} Jobst once claimed (/stated/) that chain rings do not wear enough to cause chain skip. Period. Many spoke up immediately in objection, but of course he never responded nor recanted his original contention. The first of the criteria in this article is incorrect. I put a new Sachs or SRAM chain on new chainrings of different manufacturers, and they all fit under the chain differently, some allowing distinctly different amounts of lift. I asked on this list how to know, quantitatively, that a chainring was worn, and was told by such as Andrew Muzi :It's worn out if the chain skips. Unanswered was a second question: Does a worn chainring wear out chains prematurely. Expensive as 10 speed chains are, and plentiful as chainrings are, this could cause you to care more about worn rings. Travis DC USA |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
On Jun 3, 11:38 am, A Muzi wrote:
wrote: The first of the criteria in this article is incorrect. I put a new Sachs or SRAM chain on new chainrings of different manufacturers, and they all fit under the chain differently, some allowing distinctly different amounts of lift. I asked on this list how to know, quantitatively, that a chainring was worn, and was told by such as Andrew Muzi :It's worn out if the chain skips. Unanswered was a second question: Does a worn chainring wear out chains prematurely. Expensive as 10 speed chains are, and plentiful as chainrings are, this could cause you to care more about worn rings. I wasn't being flippant; chainring wear is not usually obvious otherwise. Jobst refers to classic road rings, relatively clean, hard, of good quality and in sizes over 42t. That describes my chainrings (except for the 'clean'), but I still had problems on my 52-tooth ring with skipping due to wear a couple years ago. Turned the ring over so the pressure contact with the chain is on the opposite side of the teeth and it's been doing fine so far. But I'm sure it'll eventually wear out again and start skipping. Rings cannot wear chain (even if they were not aluminum teeth under hard steel rollers). The syndrome is noted clearly hehttp://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8d.2.html Agreed. |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
Peter Rathman wrote:
The first of the criteria in this article is incorrect. I put a new Sachs or SRAM chain on new chainrings of different manufacturers, and they all fit under the chain differently, some allowing distinctly different amounts of lift. I asked on this list how to know, quantitatively, that a chainring was worn, and was told by such as Andrew Muzi: It's worn out if the chain skips. Unanswered was a second question: Does a worn chainring wear out chains prematurely. Expensive as 10 speed chains are, and plentiful as chainrings are, this could cause you to care more about worn rings. I wasn't being flippant; chainring wear is not usually obvious otherwise. Jobst refers to classic road rings, relatively clean, hard, of good quality and in sizes over 42t. That describes my chainrings (except for the 'clean'), but I still had problems on my 52-tooth ring with skipping due to wear a couple years ago. Turned the ring over so the pressure contact with the chain is on the opposite side of the teeth and it's been doing fine so far. But I'm sure it'll eventually wear out again and start skipping. Rings cannot wear chain (even if they were not aluminum teeth under hard steel rollers). The syndrome is noted clearly he http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8d.2.html Agreed. I have posted pictures of a chainring that has its teeth nearly gone from wear but still worked well on the steepest hills (Sonora Pass). http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/zzz_006.jpg When thinking about chains, this article is appropriate: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html Jobst Brandt |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
Just in case you need some special ones, here's a page of great CW's:
http://www.bikecult.com/works/chainwheel.html Jobst Brandt |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
Peter Rathman wrote:
The first of the criteria in this article is incorrect. I put a new Sachs or SRAM chain on new chainrings of different manufacturers, and they all fit under the chain differently, some allowing distinctly different amounts of lift. I asked on this list how to know, quantitatively, that a chainring was worn, and was told by such as Andrew Muzi: It's worn out if the chain skips. Unanswered was a second question: Does a worn chainring wear out chains prematurely. Expensive as 10 speed chains are, and plentiful as chainrings are, this could cause you to care more about worn rings. I wasn't being flippant; chainring wear is not usually obvious otherwise. Jobst refers to classic road rings, relatively clean, hard, of good quality and in sizes over 42t. That describes my chainrings (except for the 'clean'), but I still had problems on my 52-tooth ring with skipping due to wear a couple years ago. Turned the ring over so the pressure contact with the chain is on the opposite side of the teeth and it's been doing fine so far. But I'm sure it'll eventually wear out again and start skipping. Rings cannot wear chain (even if they were not aluminum teeth under hard steel rollers). The syndrome is noted clearly he http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8d.2.html Agreed. wrote: I have posted pictures of a chainring that has its teeth nearly gone from wear but still worked well on the steepest hills (Sonora Pass). http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/zzz_006.jpg When thinking about chains, this article is appropriate: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html You call those TA chainring teeth 'nearly gone'? Look at any cheap urban MTB with its typical 'orange chain'. Their middle rings often show a tooth height of only 3~4mm! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:38:41 -0500, A Muzi wrote:
Rings cannot wear chain (even if they were not aluminum teeth under hard steel rollers). The syndrome is noted clearly he http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/8d.2.html It's the worn rivet/sleeve which makes the chain 'out of pitch' and hence wears the edge of the tooth. There isn't wear between roller and tooth, the roller providing a pivot for the rivet inside it. The 'stretched' chain however causes less teeth to have engagement, therefore higher pressures on each teeth that does engage, therefore higher wear. At least, that would be the mechanism I would posit. Jasper |
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Is my Chain Set Worn?
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:50:36 -0500, A Muzi wrote:
Peter Rathman wrote: wrote: I have posted pictures of a chainring that has its teeth nearly gone from wear but still worked well on the steepest hills (Sonora Pass). http://home.comcast.net/~carlfogel/download/zzz_006.jpg When thinking about chains, this article is appropriate: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html You call those TA chainring teeth 'nearly gone'? Look at any cheap urban MTB with its typical 'orange chain'. Their middle rings often show a tooth height of only 3~4mm! Yeah, that ring is practically brand-new. Back when, I wore down the teeth on even the steel big ring (!) until the teeth 'width', as measured between the front and rear curves, was negative instead of the several millimetre it is on a new ring. Those things were sharp as knives. I did this by using a chain that was so worn I had to overshift by a gear or two to even get my chain across the cogset, incidentally, on the freewheel 6 in back. 'luckily' it was a friction shifter, so this wasn't that much of a problem... That was when I junked the bike. Jasper |
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