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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On 22/03/2018 23:04, JNugent wrote:
On 22/03/2018 17:13, MrCheerful wrote: On 22/03/2018 15:27, wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:23:27 +0000 MrCheerful wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...in-front-of-ub r-car/ar-BBKxM3i?ocid=spartandhp Actually looking at that video I can't help wondering why the lasers or radar didn't pick her up. There's no sound so its hard to tell if the car started to brake but it doesn't look like it. Still, the woman was obviously a cretin so Darwin would have got her in the end. Yep, my first thought was that the system is crap, it would mean that darkness, mist, fog, snow etc. would have a deluge of crashes. In that dark environment, she MUST have been able to see the lights of the approaching car but still walked out directly in front of it. OK, she wasn't riding on it at that exact moment, but does having a bicycle in one's possession switch off all common sense and powers of observation? fatally stupid, but the self driving car (or a competent driver ) should still avoid or lessen the crash if possible. |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
The UK is doing smart cars the smart way: With government coordination and oversight.
Some times libertaria just doesn't work. |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:04:35 +0000
JNugent wrote: On 22/03/2018 17:13, MrCheerful wrote: On 22/03/2018 15:27, wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:23:27 +0000 MrCheerful wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...in-front-of-ub r-car/ar-BBKxM3i?ocid=spartandhp Actually looking at that video I can't help wondering why the lasers or radar didn't pick her up. There's no sound so its hard to tell if the car started to brake but it doesn't look like it. Still, the woman was obviously a cretin so Darwin would have got her in the end. Yep, my first thought was that the system is crap, it would mean that darkness, mist, fog, snow etc. would have a deluge of crashes. In that dark environment, she MUST have been able to see the lights of the approaching car but still walked out directly in front of it. OK, she wasn't riding on it at that exact moment, but does having a bicycle in one's possession switch off all common sense and powers of observation? Probably drunk or on drugs. |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:43:08 AM UTC, wrote:
Probably drunk or on drugs. He looks the type - "trailer trash". QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 7:29:45 PM UTC, wrote:
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:43:08 AM UTC, wrote: Probably drunk or on drugs. He looks the type - "trailer trash". QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 SHE looks the type, sorry. Anyway, it seems the CAR was at fault after all. QUOTE: Speaking to CNET, Cortica's CEO Igal Raichelgauz said the firm's self-driving AI system detected Ms Herzberg 0.9 seconds before impact. At this point the car was around 50 feet (15 metres) away. He said the autonomous car's cameras and radar system should have had enough time to pick up the pedestrian and react to the situation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...h-avoided.html |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On 23/03/2018 19:29, wrote:
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:43:08 AM UTC, wrote: Probably drunk or on drugs. He looks the type - "trailer trash". That's a bit harsh. And "he" was a she anyway. QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 FURTHER QUOTE: [Can't think WHY you left it out] Police in Tempe, Ariz., say they're still investigating the incident and have not yet assigned fault. But Tempe's police chief suggested that Uber could be cleared of wrongdoing. "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway," the chief told the San Francisco Chronicle. ENDQUOTE |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On 23/03/2018 23:52, JNugent wrote:
On 23/03/2018 19:29, wrote: On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:43:08 AM UTC, wrote: Probably drunk or on drugs. He looks the type - "trailer trash". That's a bit harsh. And "he" was a she anyway. QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 FURTHER QUOTE: [Can't think WHY you left it out] Police in Tempe, Ariz., say they're still investigating the incident and have not yet assigned fault. But Tempe's police chief suggested that Uber could be cleared of wrongdoing. "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway," the chief told the San Francisco Chronicle. ENDQUOTE so auto drive cannot see in the dark, fog etc.?? Sounds like the end of self driven cars. |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
Probably drunk or on drugs.
He looks the type - "trailer trash". That's a bit harsh. And "he" was a she anyway. QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 FURTHER QUOTE: [Can't think WHY you left it out] Police in Tempe, Ariz., say they're still investigating the incident and have not yet assigned fault. But Tempe's police chief suggested that Uber could be cleared of wrongdoing. "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway," the chief told the San Francisco Chronicle. ENDQUOTE so auto drive cannot see in the dark, fog etc.?? Sounds like the end of self driven cars. U. S. looneytarian mentality -- "gotta be totally private sector" -- is making driverless _way_ more difficult than necessary. A century or so ago some reasonable normal person said, "hey, lets have traffic light controlled intersections to save lives. Red is easy to see so use that for 'stop' to be safe. Then use green for go." There was apparently some consensus and that's what became the standard and it more or less works. As a fundamental philosophical matter, there is _nothing whatsoever_ different now than then. Why use on-board petaflop computers when an old 8080a is all that is necessary? If the State of California doesn't start promulgating some protocols, conventions, wave lengths, etc., then U. K. driverless will end up being by default the world standard. Bret Cahill |
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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona pedestrian, police say
On 24/03/2018 00:39, MrCheerful wrote:
On 23/03/2018 23:52, JNugent wrote: On 23/03/2018 19:29, wrote: On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 9:43:08 AM UTC, wrote: Probably drunk or on drugs. He looks the type - "trailer trash". That's a bit harsh. And "he" was a she anyway. QUOTE: "The crash appears to be the first time a self-driving car has killed a pedestrian. The Tesla Autopilot crash in 2016 killed that vehicle's driver when it crashed into a truck." https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/310849 FURTHER QUOTE: [Can't think WHY you left it out] Police in Tempe, Ariz., say they're still investigating the incident and have not yet assigned fault. But Tempe's police chief suggested that Uber could be cleared of wrongdoing. "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway," the chief told the San Francisco Chronicle. ENDQUOTE so auto drive cannot see in the dark, fog etc.??Â* Sounds like the end of self driven cars. I agree, besides the smoke/dark concerns, there is always the chance of one of the sensors packing up or acting strangely. It has also been proved that the cars can be taken over wirelessly by a dodgey tech wizzo at the side of a road to make it crash. Even a small laser can affect the sensors. 'Self-driving cars are prone to hacks — and automakers are barely talking about it' http://uk.businessinsider.com/driver...-ricks-2016-12 -- Bod |
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