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Old August 15th 12, 08:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 15/08/2012 19:20, Alan Holmes wrote:
"John Benn" wrote in message
...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.


Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?


It reads like a quote from the news report... so probably... a witness.
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Old August 15th 12, 08:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ...


"John Benn" wrote in message
...
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...hen_rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.


Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?

The old lady did.






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Old August 15th 12, 08:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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Default Hit & run cyclist injures elderly woman on pavement

On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 8:00 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 14/08/2012 13:39, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 14, 12:48 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:


Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."


Is the photo below an example of the kind of people who barely
recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport, for whom
cycling is a bit embarrassing, who fail to see its purpose, and who
have no interest in integrating it into their
lives? Friends of yours?


http://pointlessbanter.net/wp-conten...atanorexia.jpg
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ygqrc79


Is that the only response you have to the scientific research carried
out by acyclist?


No, I have other responses.



Biology . any behavior of a living organism that results from an
external or internal stimulus.


You posted what seems to be a selective and rather misleading quote
from an interim assessment, so I made an initial response to your
selective and misleading quote, partly in order to judge your
comprehension skills, if any.

Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?


I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all. That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?


You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?

Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?


I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".

Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?

Do you get any
exercise?


Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.


Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?


The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.





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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
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Old August 15th 12, 08:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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In message , at 19:20:31 on Wed, 15 Aug
2012, Alan Holmes sniffed the air and
proclaimed

"John Benn" wrote in message
...

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9861...me_down__then_
rode_off_/

AN 81-YEAR-OLD woman suffered facial injuries when she was knocked to the
ground by a cyclist riding along the pavement like "a bat out of Hell".

The cyclist asked Beryl Hall if she was hurt and tried to help her up, but
then rode away without apologising, she said. An ambulance was called by
passer-by Brian Brown. Mrs Hall said she was also helped by a Tesco
delivery van driver who bandaged her head. She was taken to York Hospital
suffering two black eyes, grazed knees, a sprained wrist and a cut to the
head, which needed to be glued back together.


Who said the cyclist was going like "a bat out of Hell"?


The old lady he knocked down. Maybe she is a fan of Meatloaf.

Given this thread is xposted into urc which of the cyclists think that
knocking her down, just asking her if she was OK and trying to help her
up then just riding off was an acceptable thing to do when it seems
clear from the reported injuries that she was not "OK".

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Old August 16th 12, 12:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.



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Old August 16th 12, 04:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Aug 15, 8:24*pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:

[...]
Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?


I do, but it seems you don't. *There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.



You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote. I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.

Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.

You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.


That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.


Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?


You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?


I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig. I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.

Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to. People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.

At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing. And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.


Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?


I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. *The general public
think so too. *"For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".


You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?


Grown men riding children's toys? *Clad in fluorescent lycra?


OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

Do you get any
exercise?


Plenty thank you. *BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.



Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?


The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


Maybe on planet Dave they think that.



Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."


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Old August 16th 12, 06:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:24 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:

[...]
Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?


I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.



You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote.


Probably because I couldn't be arsed.

I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.


Not at all. The research said, quite clearly;

"Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange. For them, cycling is a bit
embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in
integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis."

Do let me know if you have trouble with some of the big words.


Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.


I have in the past. It's public domain, GIFFS.


You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.


How do you know Mary Archer is fragrant? I suppose she would be
compared to a sweaty, smelly cyclist husband.


That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.


Good job cyclists never do that innit?



Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?


You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?


I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig.


Errm. Someone who dislikes cyclists?

Simple facts are that the general public think cyclists are a PITA.

Perhaps cyclists should adopt the chant of Millwall Football Club "No
one likes us, we don't care"?


I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.


Probably has more sense.

Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to.


In which case you have a very weird imagination.

People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.


You miss the point completely, as most cyclists do. It's not that
people 'can't' ride push bikes - a trained monkey can do that - it's
simply that they just don't want to ride push bikes. As the research shows.


At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing.


No, just normal regular people. The man on the Clapham Omnibus.


And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.


As I said above, you must have a very weird imagination.


Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?


I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".


You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?


Neither are the terms contradictory. The 'General Public' is not a
measure of numbers. Did you mention comprehension skills earlier?


Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?


OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.


As Mr Clarkson said "dressed like extras in a gay rave movie".

Do you get any
exercise?


Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.



Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?


The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


Maybe on planet Dave they think that.


Nope. Planet Earth. As the research clearly indicates.

If cyclists had any social skills & interacted with normal people, they
would realise how they are perceived.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
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Old August 16th 12, 07:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 16/08/2012 16:12, pensive hamster wrote:

Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/08/2012 17:09, pensive hamster wrote:

[...]


Do you comprehend the meaning of the terms 'selective', 'misleading',
and 'interim'?


I do, but it seems you don't. There is nothing 'selective' or
'misleading' about the research at all.


You don't seem to have read or comprehended what I wrote. I did not
say that the research itself was 'selective' or 'misleading'. I said
your quote from what appears to be an interim assessment (not the
final research) was selective and misleading. You seem to be cherry-
picking the research.
Further, you do not provide a link to the actual research report so
that the reader can judge the research for themselves. You expect them
to accept your summary of the research.
You seem to have, as the fragrant Mary Archer said of her husband, 'a
talent for inaccurate précis'.

That you find it contradicts
what you would like to believe is your problem.


My problem is that you seem to twist the research to suit your own
beliefs.

Do you have any answer to my initial questions about the kind of
people who barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of
transport?


You mean your rather pathetic attempt at humour?


I am curious to know what sort of person would hold or express the
sort of views you put in your sig. I imagine they might be a bit like
the sort of person Steve Coogan portrayed in 'Saxondale'. Come to
think of it, I don't think I have ever seen Alan Partridge cycling,
either.
Or I imagine they might be the sort of people who go paintballing, or
go 'offroading' in 4x4s. People who look a bit like the people in the
photo I linked to. People with a poor sense of balance, who struggle
with a bicycle, wobble about all over the road, and fall off
frequently.
At any rate, they must be strange people, who apparently see the
bicycle as a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange, and who
feel cycling is a bit embarrassing. And especially, if they fail to
see its purpose, that suggests they must be people of very limited
intelligence. One imagines they would be totally flummoxed by a
wheelbarrow, for example.

Do you find cycling a bit embarrassing?


I think cyclists are an embarrassment to themselves. The general public
think so too. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing".


You've changed the quote now, from '"Many people' to 'the general
public'. They are not equivalent terms. Do you have a link to any
research showing how many people think cycling is a bit embarrassing?

Grown men riding children's toys? Clad in fluorescent lycra?


OK, I agree about the fluorescent lycra.

Do you get any exercise?


Plenty thank you. BTW - cycling isn't the only form of exercise
available. In fact it's not even a very good form of exercise.


Face the facts.


Which facts would you like me to face?


The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


Maybe on planet Dave they think that.


You'd better write pdq to David Horton at the University of Lancaster and
tell him he got his research and his conclusions all wrong.

He needn't have bothered doing any field work, interviews, etc. He could have
just sat in an armchair opposite you and you'd have fed him all the answers.
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Old August 16th 12, 08:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.



Indeed - your problem is the fact that you are a ****wit and a silly old sod.

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Old August 17th 12, 03:51 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:08:35 +0100, Judith wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:41:34 +0000 (UTC), Peter Keller
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:24:12 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

The facts that the general public think cyclists are poor or strange,
and an embarrassment.


I am absolutely proud to be thought of as poor, strange and an
embarrassment. That is not my problem.



Indeed - your problem is the fact that you are a ****wit and a silly old
sod.


**** you. I decide what my problems are. Not you. I have no ****ing
desire to get into your good books. I have a great ****ing desire to be
the most horrible person possible for you.
And why stop at the compliments of ****wit and silly old sod? you
poop****? How about the greater accolades of puerile one-handed slack-
jawed drooling meatslapper or asinine and benighted you churlish boil-
brained clotpole ponce?



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