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Dan reads (gasp!) a book
Just scored my copy of "Effective Cycling" (6th Edition). Have only read the "new" edition Preface and the Introduction so far, but... Impressions: Forester's ego and opinionated character show already. (He seems to consider himself exceptionally smart. Since Frank also considers him "brilliant", it could be interesting reading.) I can see the confrontational approach to relations that should make the book exciting reading. But he seems to well acknowledge a couple of things. One, that he learned by doing and thinking about things, and that indeed that is the only way his readers will learn. He also says something about developing your own style of riding. These are redeeming factors completely missing from Frank's approach to disussion with me. But but he still exudes an "either you do and think my way or you're wrong". That's something I don't do. I defend the reasoning for my way, but I never say it's the right way for anyone else. More thoughts on the whole business of whether I deserve the trouble that I could avoid by doing it someone else's way, and on the idea that cars and bikes *are* different and it would be stupid to pretend they're not; but I've said al that before a million ways. |
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On 2/27/2014 10:01 AM, Dan O wrote:
Just scored my copy of "Effective Cycling" (6th Edition). Have only read the "new" edition Preface and the Introduction so far, but... Impressions: Forester's ego and opinionated character show already. (He seems to consider himself exceptionally smart. Since Frank also considers him "brilliant", it could be interesting reading.) I can see the confrontational approach to relations that should make the book exciting reading.[...] The book badly needs an aggressive editor. As for being exciting, Forester is not 1/10 the writer his father was. -- T0m $herm@n |
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WHEN DID YOU LEARN TO READ ?
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On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:58:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
WHEN DID YOU LEARN TO READ ? .................. http://www.rodaleinc.com/products/bo...nger-and-safer |
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:01:50 -0800 (PST), Dan O
wrote: Just scored my copy of "Effective Cycling" (6th Edition). Have only read the "new" edition Preface and the Introduction so far, but... Impressions: Forester's ego and opinionated character show already. (He seems to consider himself exceptionally smart. Since Frank also considers him "brilliant", it could be interesting reading.) I can see the confrontational approach to relations that should make the book exciting reading. People who exhibit an "exceptionally smart" attitude when writing are usually engaged on an ego boosting exercise. People who are writing with the intent of transferring knowledge are usually more interested in simply getting the information across. Read Stephen Hawking, for example. But he seems to well acknowledge a couple of things. One, that he learned by doing and thinking about things, and that indeed that is the only way his readers will learn. He also says something about developing your own style of riding. These are redeeming factors completely missing from Frank's approach to disussion with me. But but he still exudes an "either you do and think my way or you're wrong". That's something I don't do. I defend the reasoning for my way, but I never say it's the right way for anyone else. More thoughts on the whole business of whether I deserve the trouble that I could avoid by doing it someone else's way, and on the idea that cars and bikes *are* different and it would be stupid to pretend they're not; but I've said al that before a million ways. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:01:50 -0800 (PST), Dan O wrote: Just scored my copy of "Effective Cycling" (6th Edition). Have only read the "new" edition Preface and the Introduction so far, but... Impressions: Forester's ego and opinionated character show already. (He seems to consider himself exceptionally smart. Since Frank also considers him "brilliant", it could be interesting reading.) I can see the confrontational approach to relations that should make the book exciting reading. People who exhibit an "exceptionally smart" attitude when writing are usually engaged on an ego boosting exercise. People who are writing with the intent of transferring knowledge are usually more interested in simply getting the information across. Read Stephen Hawking, for example. Wouldn't put Hawking in the same paragraph as Forester. The former wants to educate while the latter wants to show his superlative understanding. One long anti facility rant without many facts to back up his claims. He should at least get an editor to fix the sexist macho stuff. Tedious read. Never got through more than a few chapters. There are better cycling handbooks out there. Even Franklin if you need a book. Of course I'm not sure one needs a book to learn how to ride a bike. But he seems to well acknowledge a couple of things. One, that he learned by doing and thinking about things, and that indeed that is the only way his readers will learn. He also says something about developing your own style of riding. These are redeeming factors completely missing from Frank's approach to disussion with me. But but he still exudes an "either you do and think my way or you're wrong". That's something I don't do. I defend the reasoning for my way, but I never say it's the right way for anyone else. More thoughts on the whole business of whether I deserve the trouble that I could avoid by doing it someone else's way, and on the idea that cars and bikes *are* different and it would be stupid to pretend they're not; but I've said al that before a million ways. -- duane |
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aha Frank 'VEHICULAR CYCLING' Krygoski !
yeah...I received that once and turned out. Not pinning Frank to the pole but you know not up to it at the time. so there's a book. RUN ! 'like' the 5 YEAR PLAM, VC is best done as a group where total group weight(speed) equals or betters total vehicle weight(speed) |
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On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:39:23 AM UTC-5, wrote:
aha Frank 'VEHICULAR CYCLING' Krygoski ! yeah...I received that once and turned out. Not pinning Frank to the pole but you know not up to it at the time. so there's a book. RUN ! 'like' the 5 YEAR PLAM, VC is best done as a group where total group weight(speed) equals or betters total vehicle weight(speed) ................... on the other paw, the experience ( oh I''m just going around the block) or exhorting monkeys at the zoo to gear up space travel is 'like' speaking to a group of drunks I pre AA |
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on the other paw, the experience ( oh I''m just going around the block)
is 'like' speaking to a group of drunks I pre AA exhorting monkeys at the zoo to gear up space travel its vral |
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On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:29:33 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote:
John B. wrote: On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:01:50 -0800 (PST), Dan O wrote: Just scored my copy of "Effective Cycling" (6th Edition). Have only read the "new" edition Preface and the Introduction so far, but... Impressions: Forester's ego and opinionated character show already. (He seems to consider himself exceptionally smart. Since Frank also considers him "brilliant", it could be interesting reading.) I can see the confrontational approach to relations that should make the book exciting reading. People who exhibit an "exceptionally smart" attitude when writing are usually engaged on an ego boosting exercise. People who are writing with the intent of transferring knowledge are usually more interested in simply getting the information across. Read Stephen Hawking, for example. Wouldn't put Hawking in the same paragraph as Forester. The former wants to educate while the latter wants to show his superlative understanding. One long anti facility rant without many facts to back up his claims. He should at least get an editor to fix the sexist macho stuff. Tedious read. Never got through more than a few chapters. There are better cycling handbooks out there. Even Franklin if you need a book. Of course I'm not sure one needs a book to learn how to ride a bike. No, but locally we're having an up-tic in injuries and deaths due to facility-related conflicts, primarily "hooks" -- right and left, and often because bicyclists overtake moving traffic and assume that they will be seen or that legal right of way gives them magical protection. I don't know if these cyclists need to read a long rant, but they should at least read the DMV manual (particularly page 6). http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/BIKEP...ike_manual.pdf We're in the middle of learning curve with bicycle facilities, and motorists are just starting to look over their right shoulders for cyclists, and even then, the tiny windows and huge pillars in modern cars can make it hard to see a bike even when the driver is diligent. -- Jay Beattie. |
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