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Old May 9th 21, 11:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:54:42 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/8/2021 12:51 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 om 18:45:34 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 5/8/2021 4:42 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sat, 8 May 2021 02:35:45 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Ralph Barone
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Read some Donald Norman or Bruce Tognazzi. Unfortunately, their teachings
appear to have fallen out of favour with whoever is programming modern
stuff. Right now the goal seems to be to make the user interface invisible
and completely inscrutable.
I heartily agree, and heartily complain. Examples abound. One member of
our extended family recently got a new refrigerator, and I volunteered
to hook up the water line for the in-door ice maker. But then I couldn't
figure out how to test it. I was sure the dim icons on the black panel
meant something to someone, but they might have been Martian code.

Vaguely related: Back in the 1970s, an artist friend of mine designed a
unique clock. It was a black panel with a series of hidden LEDs. The
LEDs lit up in an apparently random pattern, until you "got" the code.
Then you could read the time.

Back then it seemed to me a silly bit of exclusionary theater - "Hah, I
can tell time and you can't!" But the idea seems to have been adopted by
lots of gadget makers. "Look at our sleek black featureless control
panel. Isn't it cool?"

That's why I dislike almost every device having a touchscreen. I used a
Garmin GPSMap 60Csx for navigating on the bike, for a long time
which served me well.

https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/navi/IMG_1405.jpeg
A while ago, it got replaced by a GPSMap 64s, which has a faster
processor, more memory and slightly enhanced firmware.

https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/garmin64s.jpg

I am very glad that the user interface didn't change much. I can find
and touch the various buttons easily without looking at them, even with
gloves and when it is wet.
Finding and touching buttons is un-stylish and passe'. To change a
modern car's radio station, you have to take your eyes off the road to
look at a touchscreen. If that makes you hit a bicyclist, just use the
SMIDSY defense.


--
- Frank Krygowski


The worst user interface is on our coffee machine at work. The guy/girl that designed that should be shot on sight. Touchscreen, browsing, swiping WTF. You have to 'program' your cup of coffee. The undrinkable kind is for free, for the just bare-able kind you have to pay euro 0.33 with your card which takes ages. I brought my own coffee machine (Senseo machine, one button operation) to work and installed it in the coffee corner and told everyone they can use it if they don't make a mess. I do clean it every day. It is heavily used.

Lou


I paid IIRC $5 for mine used about 35 years ago:

https://barnimages.com/wp-content/up...images-004.jpg

Brews great coffee; no stress, no codes, no disposable
filters, no troubles.


There are all kinds of manually operated coffee makers. My grandmother
used a "coffee pot" - put in the ground coffee, add water, set on the
stove and as soon as it boils take it off.

But they aren't "modern". and they don't require a "barista; or
"bariste" to produce coffee. :-)

And, as you say, the "Moka Pot" makes perfectly good coffee without
any push buttons or flashing lights. But after all the Moka Pot was
invented way back in 1933 and everybody knows that "MODERN" is best.
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Old May 9th 21, 11:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 5/9/2021 3:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA


Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


Yep. Smart watches are currently the rage:
https://www.google.com/search?q=smar****ch&hl=en&tbm=isch
I don't have one (yet) but I've been playing with those owned by
friends. One nice feature is that the Bluetooth connection to the
smartphone can be used to initiate or answer phone calls. Some have
various medical recorders (pulse oximeter, temperature, afib
detection, ECG, etc):
https://www.apple.com/healthcare/apple-watch/
Of course, they are now wearable cycling computahs:
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/g20023538/9-great-smart-watches-for-cyclists/
or radiation detectors:
https://www.mtmwatch.com/collections/special-ops/rad/

What's a "cell phone"? You need a smartphone so you too can practice
distracted driving, acting rude, poking the screen, and have it run
your life. Soon, everyone will have a smartphone. Oh wait... they
already do.





*ahem*

everyone??

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Old May 10th 21, 12:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B. scribed:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges from
sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate time every time
a GPS satellite passes overhead.


Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA


Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


I gave up about three decades ago. I just didn't like the weight on my
wrist or getting it caught in stuff.
Used a 'pocket watch', actualy a sports timing device, fr anothr decade,
then just stopped carrying it.

When I looked around, there was always a 'clock' in 'view' somewhere.

  #124  
Old May 10th 21, 12:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 10 May 2021 05:56:21 +0700, John B. scribed:

And, as you say, the "Moka Pot" makes perfectly good coffee without any
push buttons or flashing lights. But after all the Moka Pot was invented
way back in 1933 and everybody knows that "MODERN" is best.


Naah, the best coffee I've ever had was 'brewed' in a billy over a
campfire. sadly, the beans are not available any more.

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Old May 10th 21, 02:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/9/2021 7:28 PM, News 2021 wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B. scribed:

Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


I gave up about three decades ago. I just didn't like the weight on my
wrist or getting it caught in stuff.
Used a 'pocket watch', actualy a sports timing device, fr anothr decade,
then just stopped carrying it.

When I looked around, there was always a 'clock' in 'view' somewhere.


About clocks in view somewhe I'm a bit amazed twice a year, changing
to or from Daylight Saving Time. There are well over a dozen devices I
have to reset.

--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old May 10th 21, 03:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 13:17:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA


Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


Yep. Smart watches are currently the rage:
https://www.google.com/search?q=smar****ch&hl=en&tbm=isch
I don't have one (yet) but I've been playing with those owned by
friends. One nice feature is that the Bluetooth connection to the
smartphone can be used to initiate or answer phone calls. Some have
various medical recorders (pulse oximeter, temperature, afib
detection, ECG, etc):
https://www.apple.com/healthcare/apple-watch/
Of course, they are now wearable cycling computahs:
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/g20023538/9-great-smart-watches-for-cyclists/
or radiation detectors:
https://www.mtmwatch.com/collections/special-ops/rad/

What's a "cell phone"? You need a smartphone so you too can practice
distracted driving, acting rude, poking the screen, and have it run
your life. Soon, everyone will have a smartphone. Oh wait... they
already do.

Cell(ular) is the old time name for a wireless phone :-)

As for smart phone attributes... well they are pretty good for making
telephone calls but what else are they good for? After all, the Golden
One can't expound his wisdom on the air any more so Republicans
certainly don't need them.

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Cheers,

John B.

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Old May 10th 21, 03:18 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joy Beeson
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


I can't wear metal on my wrist, and wrist watches don't work well when
carried in a pocket. Sometimes I could find a pocket watch, but they
started making those huge, to look like antiques, which I wouldn't
have minded if they'd made the empty space available to carry pills
and whatnot. Once I got a teeny watch intended to be a charm on a
bracelet, and I loved that while it lasted. The corpse is still in my
dresser drawer.

Now that pay phones are extinct, I carry a flip phone in my watch
pocket.

And put a snap fastener on it instead of a lanyard shackle.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
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Old May 10th 21, 05:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 17:56:31 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/9/2021 3:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 19:09:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I prefer my Casio Solar that is totally electronic, recharges
from sunlight or even tabletop lamps and resets to accurate
time every time a GPS satellite passes overhead.

Nope. The Casio Solar Atomic G-Shock watches and others use WWVB (in
North America) at 60 KHz and not GPS at about 1.5 GHz.

"How Radio Controlled Casio Watches sync with Atomic Clock"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMb_8KocAA


Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


Yep. Smart watches are currently the rage:
https://www.google.com/search?q=smar****ch&hl=en&tbm=isch
I don't have one (yet) but I've been playing with those owned by
friends. One nice feature is that the Bluetooth connection to the
smartphone can be used to initiate or answer phone calls. Some have
various medical recorders (pulse oximeter, temperature, afib
detection, ECG, etc):
https://www.apple.com/healthcare/apple-watch/
Of course, they are now wearable cycling computahs:
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/g20023538/9-great-smart-watches-for-cyclists/
or radiation detectors:
https://www.mtmwatch.com/collections/special-ops/rad/

What's a "cell phone"? You need a smartphone so you too can practice
distracted driving, acting rude, poking the screen, and have it run
your life. Soon, everyone will have a smartphone. Oh wait... they
already do.


*ahem*
everyone??


Yep, everyone. At this time, there are 298 million smartphone users
in the USA:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/201182/forecast-of-smartphone-users-in-the-us/
Out of a US population of 331 million, that's 90% penetration at all
ages and income levels. Even the local homeless have smart phones. It
may never actually hit 100%, but even at 90%, it qualifies for "almost
everyone".

So, what will it take to convince you to switch to the dark side and
get a smartphone? My guess(tm) some feature that you can't live
without. Built in flashlight, death ray, or bicycle headlight? Movie
projector? Simulation of your favorite historical personality using
AI (artificial intelligence)? Star Trek tricorder that does medical
diagnostics and possibly treatment? Pocket x-ray spectrometer for ore
and metallurgical analysis? Voice FM modulation lie detector? The
list never ends. Eventually, you will find some feature in smartphone
that will get your attention and inspire you to buy one. Resistance
is futile. You will be assimilated.



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Jeff Liebermann
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http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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Old May 10th 21, 05:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 9 May 2021 21:08:28 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
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About clocks in view somewhe I'm a bit amazed twice a year, changing
to or from Daylight Saving Time. There are well over a dozen devices I
have to reset.


How many of those dozen devices are sundials? No criticism expressed
or implied. I'm just curious how you handle daylight savings time
with your sundials.

If the device is mechanical, then set the time to GMT and do the DST
conversion in your head when you read the dial or digits. I did that
for a while. After a few months, the conversion became almost
automatic.

If the device is electronic, then it must be quite old. Most
everything sold these days has some way to automatically set daylight
savings time. Upgrade?

One source of clock irritation are the various consumer weather
stations that use WWVB to set the time and adjust for DST. The use of
WWVB (Boulder Colorado) implies that it's used in North America. So,
these weather stations only support 4 time zones and can't be set to
GMT or allow DST to be disabled.

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Old May 10th 21, 05:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 09 May 2021 22:18:04 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Sun, 09 May 2021 09:49:22 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Do people still wear watches? I just look at my cell phone :-)


I can't wear metal on my wrist, and wrist watches don't work well when
carried in a pocket. Sometimes I could find a pocket watch, but they
started making those huge, to look like antiques, which I wouldn't
have minded if they'd made the empty space available to carry pills
and whatnot. Once I got a teeny watch intended to be a charm on a
bracelet, and I loved that while it lasted. The corpse is still in my
dresser drawer.

You can still buy pin on watches. https://tinyurl.com/nerdbrmp


Now that pay phones are extinct, I carry a flip phone in my watch
pocket.

And put a snap fastener on it instead of a lanyard shackle.

--
Cheers,

John B.

 




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