Road Discs

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:16:37 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
en I going for a ride.

When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.

Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)

Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.


I have the problem that in the San Francisco bay area it's usually cool all the time and even stopping for coffee cools you down do much that you spend a great deal of your ride warming up again.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:57:21 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:43:49 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/3/2017 2:16 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
en I going for a ride.

When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.

Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)

Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

I remember stopping for thunderstorms so violent that lightning was
hitting all around me.

On the other hand, I remember riding in the southern U.S. and welcoming
a thunderstorm because it cooled us off. My wife and I were laughing as
we rode along.

For me, light rain with little wind is tolerable if the weather is warm
and motor traffic is light. Heavy rain is miserable, especially if any
of the other factors are wrong.

The afternoon summer storms in the Mid-West are of biblical proportions -- you can barely see through the buckets of rain. The storms pass in five or ten minutes, and then it gets steamy. It's sort of other-worldly for someone from the West Coast.

I was riding around the Lake of the Ozarks, which is a more or less a levy road, and it was pouring -- and a lightening bolt landed about twenty feet away, hitting a car that was nosing up out of a camp ground. It was like having a Howitzer go off next to me. I'll never forget it.

Around here, showers typically turn to rain, so you can stop to dodge the hardest rain-fall, but you are going to get wet no matter what. No lighting or mountain lions.

-- Jay Beattie.

Around here it's possible to be in light rain all day long. Followed by heavy mud.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 11:16:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower
or the rain because that is the time you get cold.
Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.


When the road is covered with freshly-fallen limbs, it's time to get
under something.

If I recall correctly, I had to walk around a freshly-fallen tree to
get to the lady's porch.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2, David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
: Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
: en I going for a ride.
:
: When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
: don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
: it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.
:
: Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
: perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
: first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)
:
: Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
: enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
: place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
: water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.
:
: --
: Joy Beeson
: joy beeson at comcast dot net
: http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

:Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

If you didn't have an irrational fear of fenders, you could ride on
wet pavement.

--
sig 35

I have no fear of fenders and I do ride on wet pavement. I have a lot of fenders, even a bike with a full set of fenders bolted on. But we were talking about a high end CF road endurance bike Jay was talking about.
I can choose when to ride my high end CF bike, how long I ride, which clothes I wear, I have to wash my cycling clothes anyway, I have to shower after the ride anyway and I get wet anyway when I get caught in the rain. So a high end CF frame with no fender eyelets would suit me. YMMV.

Lou

jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 10:16:26 PM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:

I was looking at the Canyon site -- a sub-$2K CF disc endurance bike in the same no-active-suspension niche as the Synapse. https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road/en...cf-sl-disc-7-0 Unbelievably, no fender mounts -- and nothing to which you could mount a fender (no brake bridge, no crown holes). Why would the citizens of a wet nation like Germany build an endurance bike with clearance for large tires and not put in a few 5mm bosses here and there for fenders. Unglaublich!

Fenders on road bikes is a US thing, like commuting with a road bike. Endurance bike is a normal road bike with a more relax geometry for longer rides. Unglaublich, my ass.

Are US (Puritan) road bikers more scared than Canadians (royally scr*wed) of
being seen with a line of dirt on their back?
You'd be tossed out of a fast group ride during fall/winter/spring if you didn't have full cover fenders with a flap. http://stevetilford.com/2013/10/15/t...g-in-the-rain/

From the ladies at Sorella, including my good friend the old-chick national enduro champion, http://www.sorellaforte.com/club-rides/:

"And lastly, PLEASE install fenders on your bike! Bolted on, full fenders with mud flap extensions. Fenders keep you drier, especially your back side, but also keep from spraying the rider behind you. If it’s raining buckets and you don’t have fenders, you will be sent to the back of the pack."

The endurance bike or gravel bike has become the standard rain bike around here. No way I'm going to be miserable for 50-100 miles in the rain with no fenders. That's a crazy European thing.

I read that the Czech Republic requires fenders. Probably a lignite thing.
It might not have worked against invading tanks, but guess which nation,
from 1993 on, has succeeded better in limiting the influx of brown-skinned
masses, NED or CZR??

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:41:07 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2, David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
: Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
: en I going for a ride.
:
: When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
: don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
: it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.
:
: Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
: perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
: first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)
:
: Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
: enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
: place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
: water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.
:
: --
: Joy Beeson
: joy beeson at comcast dot net
: http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

:Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

If you didn't have an irrational fear of fenders, you could ride on
wet pavement.

--
sig 35

I have no fear of fenders and I do ride on wet pavement. I have a lot of fenders, even a bike with a full set of fenders bolted on. But we were talking about a high end CF road endurance bike Jay was talking about.
I can choose when to ride my high end CF bike, how long I ride, which clothes I wear, I have to wash my cycling clothes anyway, I have to shower after the ride anyway and I get wet anyway when I get caught in the rain. So a high end CF frame with no fender eyelets would suit me. YMMV.

These days, CF is not that high-end, although some rain bikes are pretty high end. This is a Portland Velo ride. http://pdxvelo.com/images/slides/slide1-1.jpg The guy with the disc has only a rear fender. The Portland Velo guys are notorious fender Nazis. https://www.flickr.com/photos/krheap...7632139896627/ (nice photo stream) Note long flaps. No flap, no soup!

-- Jay Beattie.

On 10/4/2017 1:41 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2, David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
: Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
: en I going for a ride.
:
: When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
: don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
: it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.
:
: Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
: perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
: first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)
:
: Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
: enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
: place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
: water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.
:
: --
: Joy Beeson
: joy beeson at comcast dot net
: http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

:Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

If you didn't have an irrational fear of fenders, you could ride on
wet pavement.

--
sig 35

I have no fear of fenders and I do ride on wet pavement. I have a lot of fenders, even a bike with a full set of fenders bolted on. But we were talking about a high end CF road endurance bike Jay was talking about.
I can choose when to ride my high end CF bike, how long I ride, which clothes I wear, I have to wash my cycling clothes anyway, I have to shower after the ride anyway and I get wet anyway when I get caught in the rain. So a high end CF frame with no fender eyelets would suit me. YMMV.

Lou


What do you do in the rain when you pass the gate area where
cows are moved across the road to another pasture?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/4/2017 2:21 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 2:36:22 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 10:16:26 PM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:

I was looking at the Canyon site -- a sub-$2K CF disc endurance bike in the same no-active-suspension niche as the Synapse. https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road/en...cf-sl-disc-7-0 Unbelievably, no fender mounts -- and nothing to which you could mount a fender (no brake bridge, no crown holes). Why would the citizens of a wet nation like Germany build an endurance bike with clearance for large tires and not put in a few 5mm bosses here and there for fenders. Unglaublich!

Fenders on road bikes is a US thing, like commuting with a road bike. Endurance bike is a normal road bike with a more relax geometry for longer rides. Unglaublich, my ass.

Are US (Puritan) road bikers more scared than Canadians (royally scr*wed) of
being seen with a line of dirt on their back?
You'd be tossed out of a fast group ride during fall/winter/spring if you didn't have full cover fenders with a flap. http://stevetilford.com/2013/10/15/t...g-in-the-rain/

From the ladies at Sorella, including my good friend the old-chick national enduro champion, http://www.sorellaforte.com/club-rides/:

"And lastly, PLEASE install fenders on your bike! Bolted on, full fenders with mud flap extensions. Fenders keep you drier, especially your back side, but also keep from spraying the rider behind you. If it’s raining buckets and you don’t have fenders, you will be sent to the back of the pack."

The endurance bike or gravel bike has become the standard rain bike around here. No way I'm going to be miserable for 50-100 miles in the rain with no fenders. That's a crazy European thing.

I read that the Czech Republic requires fenders. Probably a lignite thing.
It might not have worked against invading tanks, but guess which nation,
from 1993 on, has succeeded better in limiting the influx of brown-skinned
masses, NED or CZR??




[raises hand] Hungary! Double row razor wire border!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 4:30:59 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/4/2017 1:41 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2, David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
: Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
: en I going for a ride.
:
: When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
: don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
: it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.
:
: Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
: perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
: first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)
:
: Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
: enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
: place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
: water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.
:
: --
: Joy Beeson
: joy beeson at comcast dot net
: http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

:Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

If you didn't have an irrational fear of fenders, you could ride on
wet pavement.

--
sig 35

I have no fear of fenders and I do ride on wet pavement. I have a lot of fenders, even a bike with a full set of fenders bolted on. But we were talking about a high end CF road endurance bike Jay was talking about.
I can choose when to ride my high end CF bike, how long I ride, which clothes I wear, I have to wash my cycling clothes anyway, I have to shower after the ride anyway and I get wet anyway when I get caught in the rain. So a high end CF frame with no fender eyelets would suit me. YMMV.

Lou


What do you do in the rain when you pass the gate area where
cows are moved across the road to another pasture?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I would ride slowly and look carefully where I ride. Although we have a lot of cows here this situation doesn't occur often.

Lou

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 4:10:24 PM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:41:07 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2, David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 6:50:50 PM UTC+2, Joy Beeson wrote:
: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
:
: Yes glasses are a problem. That is the reason I still use contact lenses wh=
: en I going for a ride.
:
: When I can't see through my glasses, I put them into my pocket. I
: don't need to read the model of the truck, I only need to know where
: it is, how big it is, and how fast it's moving.
:
: Twice in the last fifty years I've taken shelter on the porch of a
: perfect stranger. Both times I was invited in, but declined. (The
: first time it was a whole tour group on the porch.)
:
: Once I waited on the front porch of a bank for the rain to slack off
: enough that I could see to go on. (Had a dreadful time finding a
: place to get off the road when I couldn't see through the wall of
: water!) I've waited out showers lots of times.
:
: --
: Joy Beeson
: joy beeson at comcast dot net
: http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

:Once I am on the road I never stop for a shower or the rain because that is the time you get cold. Even when you stop you get wet anyway because the roads are wet then.

If you didn't have an irrational fear of fenders, you could ride on
wet pavement.

--
sig 35

I have no fear of fenders and I do ride on wet pavement. I have a lot of fenders, even a bike with a full set of fenders bolted on. But we were talking about a high end CF road endurance bike Jay was talking about.
I can choose when to ride my high end CF bike, how long I ride, which clothes I wear, I have to wash my cycling clothes anyway, I have to shower after the ride anyway and I get wet anyway when I get caught in the rain. So a high end CF frame with no fender eyelets would suit me. YMMV.

These days, CF is not that high-end, although some rain bikes are pretty high end. This is a Portland Velo ride. http://pdxvelo.com/images/slides/slide1-1.jpg The guy with the disc has only a rear fender. The Portland Velo guys are notorious fender Nazis. https://www.flickr.com/photos/krheap...7632139896627/ (nice photo stream) Note long flaps. No flap, no soup!

-- Jay Beattie.

Man what ugly kludges. If I had to ride in your miserable climate I probably also have a nice rain bike with full fenders. This would be a dedicated bike. We have our share of rain but most of the spring and summer up till now I managed to ride 3-4 times a week without getting (too) wet. Tomorrow they predict a lot of rain so I rode this evening. First time with my light equipped road bike. Oh, man dark season is coming.....


Lou