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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote:
A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! -- Bod |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
In message , Bod
writes On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? -- Ian |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 10:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bod writes On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area willÂ* stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â* Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13Â* new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves herÂ* dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found thatÂ* the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven outÂ* of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath andÂ* North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â* Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? A lot of truth in your answer. -- Bod |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
In message , James Wilkinson Sword
writes On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:59:42 -0000, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...ed-deaths-inju ries-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! It's not just the signs, you have to get 50 people to sign off health and softy agreements to make sure the workers are safe while removing them from those er.... slow safe areas. Indeed. I often see minor road-side road works where putting the warning signs and removing them probably took a lot longer than the work itself. -- Ian |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 09:59, Bod wrote:
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! The findings won't stop 'pressure groups' demanding more such zones or councils introducing them- leading to more unnecessary injuries and deaths. Obviously there are instances of bad driving- including of course driving under the influence etc.- and no one is suggesting they shouldn't be dealt with. However, introducing measures which are not only known to fail but be harmful is more than ridiculous. |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote:
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 5:36:34 PM UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend.. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. -- -- Colin Bignell Holy Cow, talk about a blast from the past. Have you heard anything from Huge Davies or Steve Firth recently? |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. but do they absolutely need to be? the road outside my estate has speed calming humps, but the speed limit is still 30 mph tim |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 10:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
Bod wrote Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area willÂ* stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? Sorry, has to be done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dB4YnLSsE |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18-Dec-17 6:12 PM, tim... wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... .... They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. but do they absolutely need to be? the road outside my estate has speed calming humps, but the speed limit is still 30 mph Some measures are not considered to be effective in a 30mph limit and would probably need to be removed. If humps are retained, they would need lit warning signs (not required in a 20mph zone) and appropriate road markings (also not a requirement in a 20mph zone) to be added. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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