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Ed Dolan & Melanie
"Tēm ShermĒnT °_°" " wrote in
message ... On 3/15/2011 9:57 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Gluck reformed opera which badly needed reforming because of types like Handel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1B85UQT4AY Better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFu2CpxFBA. Too bad he was too drunk to remember to tie his shoes. You obviously have no conception of what is meant by the phrase "Gluck reformed opera". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluck Here is the pertinent passage from the article on Gluck on Wikipedia: "Gluck had long pondered the fundamental problem of form and content in opera. He thought both of the main Italian operatic genres - opera buffa and opera seria - had strayed too far from what opera should really be and seemed unnatural. Opera buffa had long lost its original freshness. Its jokes were threadbare and the repetition of the same characters made them seem no more than stereotypes. In opera seria the singing was devoted to superficial effects and the content was uninteresting and fossilised. As in opera buffa, the singers were effectively absolute masters of the stage and the music, decorating the vocal lines so floridly that audiences could no longer recognise the original melody. Gluck wanted to return opera to its origins, focusing on human drama and passions and making words and music of equal importance. In Vienna, Gluck met likeminded figures in the operatic world: Count Giacomo Durazzo, the head of the court theatre, who was a passionate admirer of French stage music; the librettist Ranieri de' Calzabigi, who wanted to attack the dominance of Metastasian opera seria; the innovative choreographer Gasparo Angiolini; and the London-trained castrato Gaetano Guadagni. The first result of the new thinking was Gluck's reformist ballet Don Juan, but a more important work was soon to follow. On 5 October 1762, Orfeo ed Euridice was given its first performance, with music by Gluck to words by Calzabigi. The dances were arranged by Angiolini and the title role was taken by Guadagni. Orfeo, which has never left the standard repertory, showed the beginnings of Gluck's reforms. His idea was to make the drama of the work more important than the star singers who performed it, and to do away with dry recitative (recitativo secco, accompanied only by continuo) that broke up the action. The more flowing and dramatic style which resulted has been seen as a precursor to the music dramas of Richard Wagner. Gluck and Calzabigi followed Orfeo with Alceste (1767) and Paride ed Elena (1770), pushing their innovations even further. Calzabigi wrote a preface to Alceste, which Gluck signed, setting out the principles of their reforms." -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
"Tēm ShermĒnT °_°" " wrote in
message ... On 3/16/2011 12:14 AM, Edward Dolan wrote: All of pop music including rock is just one step above nursery rhymes for children.[...] Or can be both: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEHJLd8QRz8 [1] (from the greatest hits of 1780). [1] The death of John Churchill [2] was greatly exaggerated. [2] Son of Sir Winston Churchill, of course. But what would Mozart have made of this melody? Here is a hint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMhYomyVYGs -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
Edward Dolan wrote:
You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpvv...eature=related Let me ask you, do you go to your grave any more unrequited than I do? Until I saw the videos, I thought you were referring to this Melanie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOExGVgQzRg I think she might be a good counterpart for you, Ed. Chalo |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
On Mar 15, 5:52*pm, James wrote:
Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Cute! *Lucky I turned the sound off quickly. *Almost as painful as the Scots pipes! JS. European folk music is brutally alien to me. |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
On Mar 15, 8:34*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"T m Sherm n _ " " wrote in ... On 3/15/2011 6:52 PM, James Steward wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Cute! Lucky I turned the sound off quickly. Implied commentary on yodeling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAY4hvnJbY. Yodeling is the heart leaping for joy. Anyone who does not understand this is a barbarian. Almost as painful as the Scots pipes! What should be used as the Scottish national music instead of the insipid Flower of Scotland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMly__Q99-w&feature=related So what is not to like? I have always loved bagpipe music provided it keeps to a quick step. The Irish Uillin pipes are even more beautiful. The air flow is accomplished with the elbow instead of the lungs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iteZq27y5Kg -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota I don't understand yodeling. It reminds me of that unwatchable and weird cartoon that played when i was a child "Heide". I grew up in Buenos Aires. Germanic European folk culture was probably something as alien to me as when the Europeans arrived in Africa, America or East Asia. When I went to Northern Germany in the 80s and saw men wearing green knickers, long socks and leprechaun looking shoes I thought that I was in some episode of star trek, or, the very famous bar scene in star wars. Melanie could have been singing in the star wars bar scene and the alien effect would have been the same. |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
On Mar 15, 8:27*pm, Tēm ShermĒn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 3/15/2011 12:58 AM, Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpvv...eature=related Let me ask you, do you go to your grave any more unrequited than I do? I prefer Hana Blazikova: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDd57KOxGfc&feature=related. -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqf2q...eature=related Better version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDAJr...eature=related |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
On Mar 16, 1:08*am, Chalo wrote:
Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpvv...eature=related Let me ask you, do you go to your grave any more unrequited than I do? Until I saw the videos, I thought you were referring to this Melanie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOExGVgQzRg I think she might be a good counterpart for you, Ed. Chalo More truly civilized music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8vs...eature=related |
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the holy spirit
On Mar 16, 7:16*am, " wrote:
On Mar 16, 1:08*am, Chalo wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpvv...eature=related Let me ask you, do you go to your grave any more unrequited than I do? Until I saw the videos, I thought you were referring to this Melanie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOExGVgQzRg I think she might be a good counterpart for you, Ed. Chalo More truly civilized music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8vs...eature=related Here is one of the few times when the holy spirit entered to human souls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaCZ...eature=related |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
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... [...] I don't understand yodeling. It reminds me of that unwatchable and weird cartoon that played when i was a child "Heide". I grew up in Buenos Aires. Germanic European folk culture was probably something as alien to me as when the Europeans arrived in Africa, America or East Asia. There is nothing difficult to understand about yodeling at all. It is simple music, merely a style of vocalizing not all that different than Sherman's Handelian operatic arias. German folk culture is the best in the world. If it is alien to you, then that is because you are the alien. Is not Argentina mainly of European descendants? When I went to Northern Germany in the 80s and saw men wearing green knickers, long socks and leprechaun looking shoes I thought that I was in some episode of star trek, or, the very famous bar scene in star wars. Melanie could have been singing in the star wars bar scene and the alien effect would have been the same. All kinds of folk culture simply go back a few hundred years. I am convinced that those who are unable to appreciate folk music are also incapable of appreciating fine art music. In fact, very many composers extensively used folk music in their compositions. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Ed Dolan & Melanie
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... On Mar 15, 5:52 pm, James wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: You never want to love anyone who can return it. Nay, only unrequited love is worth anything. Here is Melanie, forever beyond my reach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GTx...eature=related Cute! Lucky I turned the sound off quickly. Almost as painful as the Scots pipes! JS. European folk music is brutally alien to me. Andre is even stupider than me when he let's himself go! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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