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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On 2019-02-13 13:57, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:08:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-13 12:54, wrote: On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 8:47:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-11 15:05, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] I find that better quality tires give better feel on and to the road. Also in winter in snow quality REALLY trumps the el cheapo tires on many bicycles. The knobs on el cheapo tires freeze in the deep cold and then act like skate blades with no traction at all. I found that out 50+ years ago whilst winter commuting in Toronto Canada. Vee Rubber didn't exist 50 years ago. Suggest to try again. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I just ordered another pair of cheap Chinese carbon tubeless wheels. Since I will have a set of new Continental GP5000TL's and since MUCH to my surprise a tubeless tire actually is not as tight on a tubeless rim as a standard clincher I am going to try and blame my other carbon tubeless failures on the tires and not on the wheelset. So after I get everything and assemble them and REALLY check them out for failures I will keep everyone apprised of how things are going. The 40 mm deep clinchers at less than half of the cost of a cheap Fulcrum aluminum wheelset us still working really well. I really like both the way they ride and the far more aero design that does NOTHING to destabilize the steering in cross-winds. Fingers crossed. Which reminds me, I also need a new wheel set for the old road bike soon because the rims are worn from the brakes. Again. The spokes are tired, the hubs are also getting old and the freehub is nearly shot (again ...). To my dismay I found that Nashbar doesn't have any wheel sets left. Looks like they are shutting down :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ The lower end Fulcrum wheels are great for you type of use ProBikeKit carries the 7's and sometimes there's really good deals on the 4's. A set of 4's that I got were bombproof. Though except for the E-versions they don't have a lot of spokes, which concerns me since I break a lot of spokes: https://www.probikekit.com/brands/fu...search=Fulcrum -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 13:08:09 -0800,
Joerg wrote: Which reminds me, I also need a new wheel set for the old road bike soon because the rims are worn from the brakes. Again. The spokes are tired I've heard of "Betty Davis eyes," but "Lili von Shtupp spokes" is a new one to me. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 2:16:25 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-02-13 13:57, wrote: On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 1:08:09 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-13 12:54, wrote: On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 8:47:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-11 15:05, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] I find that better quality tires give better feel on and to the road. Also in winter in snow quality REALLY trumps the el cheapo tires on many bicycles. The knobs on el cheapo tires freeze in the deep cold and then act like skate blades with no traction at all. I found that out 50+ years ago whilst winter commuting in Toronto Canada. Vee Rubber didn't exist 50 years ago. Suggest to try again. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I just ordered another pair of cheap Chinese carbon tubeless wheels. Since I will have a set of new Continental GP5000TL's and since MUCH to my surprise a tubeless tire actually is not as tight on a tubeless rim as a standard clincher I am going to try and blame my other carbon tubeless failures on the tires and not on the wheelset. So after I get everything and assemble them and REALLY check them out for failures I will keep everyone apprised of how things are going. The 40 mm deep clinchers at less than half of the cost of a cheap Fulcrum aluminum wheelset us still working really well. I really like both the way they ride and the far more aero design that does NOTHING to destabilize the steering in cross-winds. Fingers crossed. Which reminds me, I also need a new wheel set for the old road bike soon because the rims are worn from the brakes. Again. The spokes are tired, the hubs are also getting old and the freehub is nearly shot (again ...). To my dismay I found that Nashbar doesn't have any wheel sets left. Looks like they are shutting down :-( -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ The lower end Fulcrum wheels are great for you type of use ProBikeKit carries the 7's and sometimes there's really good deals on the 4's. A set of 4's that I got were bombproof. Though except for the E-versions they don't have a lot of spokes, which concerns me since I break a lot of spokes: https://www.probikekit.com/brands/fu...search=Fulcrum -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I haven't broken a spoke in so long I can't remember the last time I did so. |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... -- duane George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts. Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some tires are just too flimsy. One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost less than half of the "name brand" ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On 2019-02-11 15:32, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 4:54:06 PM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 3:52:27 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... 1-1/2 gallons max, on hot summer days. This is required on some rides unless you carry chlorine tablets, can stomach that taste _and_ suppress any thoughts about what you've seen in the river during kayaking further upstream. -- duane I rode 11000 km last year and had 2 or 3 flats. No way I going to ride crappy cheap tires. Lou Not mention the performance or lack thereof with cheap tires. -- duane These Maxxi tubeless I just got feel like I'm riding on lead. But they weren't as expensive as the rest. If they'd still make the 1040 MTB tire, that would be great. They cost $12 and none of their new line-up has that sort of tread. Good grip even in mud which is important where I live. Unfortunately they didn't make them in 29" so I could not use them on my most recent MTB. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important.. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... -- duane George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts. Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some tires are just too flimsy. One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost less than half of the "name brand" ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I have been far more than satisfied with the Vittoria tires. I have a set of Rubino Pro Endurance tires that I probably won't use since I'm trying to clear out most of my collection. If you'd like to try those I'll give them to you for postage or if you're in the neighborhood I can just hand them over. |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On 2019-02-17 07:58, wrote:
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... -- duane George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts. Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some tires are just too flimsy. One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost less than half of the "name brand" ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I have been far more than satisfied with the Vittoria tires. Same here. I was impressed with the Vittoria Zafiro tires. Got them at around $12 a pop and they last 2k miles. As far as I know they are made in Thailand. ... I have a set of Rubino Pro Endurance tires that I probably won't use since I'm trying to clear out most of my collection. If you'd like to try those I'll give them to you for postage or if you're in the neighborhood I can just hand them over. Of course I am interested though I don't get to the Bay Area anymore because of retiring and because clients being in Texas now (you and I know why ...). Can't you use them up on your bike? You probably ride more road bike miles than I do and at least around here that eats rear tires as if it was popcorn. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 9:21:20 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-02-17 07:58, wrote: On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... -- duane George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts. Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some tires are just too flimsy. One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost less than half of the "name brand" ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I have been far more than satisfied with the Vittoria tires. Same here. I was impressed with the Vittoria Zafiro tires. Got them at around $12 a pop and they last 2k miles. As far as I know they are made in Thailand. ... I have a set of Rubino Pro Endurance tires that I probably won't use since I'm trying to clear out most of my collection. If you'd like to try those I'll give them to you for postage or if you're in the neighborhood I can just hand them over. Of course I am interested though I don't get to the Bay Area anymore because of retiring and because clients being in Texas now (you and I know why ...). Can't you use them up on your bike? You probably ride more road bike miles than I do and at least around here that eats rear tires as if it was popcorn. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Well, I can use them but in the warm weather I'll ride the Colnago which I hope to convert to tubeless. And I think that I'll exchange the Scirroco Cross wheels for a set of Campy Protons I have one on of the bikes for sale. So I will have a good set of clinchers for the steel bike if I have any more problems with Tubeless. In any case as if this moment I have enough tires for three years. |
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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL
On 2019-02-17 13:47, wrote:
On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 9:21:20 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-17 07:58, wrote: On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:48:07 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote: wrote: On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote: I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires. Similar for MTB tires. That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important. Lou I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads. Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of water or something... -- duane George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts. Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some tires are just too flimsy. One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost less than half of the "name brand" ones. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I have been far more than satisfied with the Vittoria tires. Same here. I was impressed with the Vittoria Zafiro tires. Got them at around $12 a pop and they last 2k miles. As far as I know they are made in Thailand. ... I have a set of Rubino Pro Endurance tires that I probably won't use since I'm trying to clear out most of my collection. If you'd like to try those I'll give them to you for postage or if you're in the neighborhood I can just hand them over. Of course I am interested though I don't get to the Bay Area anymore because of retiring and because clients being in Texas now (you and I know why ...). Can't you use them up on your bike? You probably ride more road bike miles than I do and at least around here that eats rear tires as if it was popcorn. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Well, I can use them but in the warm weather I'll ride the Colnago which I hope to convert to tubeless. And I think that I'll exchange the Scirroco Cross wheels for a set of Campy Protons I have one on of the bikes for sale. So I will have a good set of clinchers for the steel bike if I have any more problems with Tubeless. In any case as if this moment I have enough tires for three years. Wow. I "only" have enough tires for another year, assuming none blow out. Meantime I reworked the rear a little. Big 11-40T cassette, new derailer, hanger extender for the derailer. That allowed me to move the rear axle backwards in the slotted drop-outs and that in turn will allow the use of tires up to 28mm. 32mm would be nice because that opens up the selection towards CX but 32mm is too close considering that my wheels go out of true a lot and I occasionally pop a spoke. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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