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oligarchy and George Carlin
sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote: snip One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with fingers crossed) about spending limits. The Republican playbook since Reagan: 1. Run up the debt with tax cuts. 2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending. 3. Blame socialism for the debt. 4. Wait for a Democratic president. 5. Blame them for the debt. 6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem. 7. Call them failures. 8. Use it to win the next election. 9. Go to 1. So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all. And the rest of the story? In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money, and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count for the actual votes to not matter anymore. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On 4/28/2021 1:45 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
sms wrote: On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote: snip One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with fingers crossed) about spending limits. The Republican playbook since Reagan: 1. Run up the debt with tax cuts. 2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending. 3. Blame socialism for the debt. 4. Wait for a Democratic president. 5. Blame them for the debt. 6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem. 7. Call them failures. 8. Use it to win the next election. 9. Go to 1. So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all. The problem is two-fold. First, it's a always a fun great party when Republicans are spending like there's no tomorrow. Second, voters have short memories. George H.W. Bush was a Republican that actually raised taxes in an attempt to pay for the free-spending party years while Reagan was president. It cost him his re-election. With Clinton we got four surplus budgets in a row, something that hadn't happened under Republicans going as far back as I can remember. Clinton explained the secret back in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX3a-2yrQwY&t=68s Now we're in a once in a century situation with the pandemic, unemployment, and evictions. This is the time when deficit spending is not unreasonable. Dead people don't pay taxes, something Trump didn't understand. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On 4/28/2021 3:45 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
sms wrote: On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote: snip One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with fingers crossed) about spending limits. The Republican playbook since Reagan: 1. Run up the debt with tax cuts. 2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending. 3. Blame socialism for the debt. 4. Wait for a Democratic president. 5. Blame them for the debt. 6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem. 7. Call them failures. 8. Use it to win the next election. 9. Go to 1. So until 2020, swing voters and Democrats were clearly too dumb to hold their noses and keep voting Republicans into office until the Republican spiel would be exposed and fall apart, once and for all. And the rest of the story? In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money, and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count for the actual votes to not matter anymore. +1 -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
snip And the rest of the story? In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money, and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count for the actual votes to not matter anymore. +1 LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory, especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite what the crazy pillow guy claims. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote: snip And the rest of the story? In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money, and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count for the actual votes to not matter anymore. +1 LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory, especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite what the crazy pillow guy claims. Ignore the Kraken!: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...on-believable/ Liberal or conservative, you cannot look at the Kraken episode and call it anything other than a clown show. If Al Gore had trotted out a bunch of lunatics with wide-ranging, multi-state conspiracy theories to overturn GWB's electoral victory, his popular support would have gone through the floor. He would be a political leper and not emperor Donald in exile. -- Jay Beattie. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On 4/29/2021 5:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
snip Nothing objectionable there, all pretty obvious material; a well trod area. Well one thing he gets dead wrong is the difference in economic growth based on which party is in power. From 1945 through 2020Q2, GDP grew 4.1% on average under Democrats, versus 2.5% under Republicans, a difference of 1.6 percentage points. Going back to Eisenhower, the stock market has risen an average of 11% per year under Democratic presidents versus 6.5% for Republicans. The unemployment rate has fallen on average under Democratic presidents, while it has risen on average under Republican presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower, on average, for Democratic presidents. Ten of the 11 U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents. It's clear that under Democratic administrations GDP growth is greater, equity markets fare better, unemployment is lower, budget deficits are lower, and recessions are less likely. The reasons are pretty obvious. Democratic presidents are much less protectionist, they are more focused on economic expansion, they are less likely to engage in wasteful spending, and they are less likely to get us involved in wars. People vote for Republicans for all sorts of reasons, but economic health and performance are not included in those reasons. A healthy percentage of right-wingers are fixated on two issues: abortion and guns. Ironically, abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents because Democrats are more likely to support sex education, contraception, and federally subsidized programs like child care. Republicans like to promote abstinence, a nice theory but not practical. Since Democrats are less likely to support bans on abortion many voters opposed to abortion foolishly choose Republicans which actually results in more abortions not fewer. In terms of guns, Democrats are much more likely to advocate for gun registration, waiting periods, bans on assault weapons, safety interlocks, and bans on certain kinds of ammunition. This may be one reason why there are more mass shootings under Republican presidents versus Democratic presidents, however to be fair, one of the reasons for the increase in mass shooting under Trump was his rhetoric (anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Black, etc.), it was not just the availability of the guns used. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 10:42 AM, AMuzi wrote: snip One might say the Left talking points are dismissive of any fiscal restraint. One might say that the Repugnicans speak earnestly (with fingers crossed) about spending limits. The Republican playbook since Reagan: 1. Run up the debt with tax cuts. 2. Spend extravagantly, especially on unneeded military spending. 3. Blame socialism for the debt. 4. Wait for a Democratic president. 5. Blame them for the debt. 6. Block Democratic attempts to solve the problem. 7. Call them failures. 8. Use it to win the next election. 9. Go to 1. You are about the stupidest person possible. You are even incapable of understanding even the basis if economics. In EVERY tax cut it was far more offset by taxable revenue. Even Bill Clinton did it and we had the most taxable income in modern history. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/28/2021 3:33 PM, AMuzi wrote: snip And the rest of the story? In 2020, swing voters had eventually gotten the message, but Silicon Money, and the CCP, had successfully tought the DNC enough about managing the count for the actual votes to not matter anymore. +1 LOL, you can "+1" all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. The reality is that it was the fact that in 2020 swing voters favored Biden by 13 percentage points. The swing voters were key to Biden's victory, especially in states like Georgia. And of course there is zero credibility to the idea that the vote count was manipulated, despite what the crazy pillow guy claims. If the swing voters affected anything at all why is the Democrat Party putting 100 layers to work to attempt to STOP a vote AUDIT on their election? If there was swing voters then why would they be so afraid of an audit? |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:15:04 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/29/2021 5:47 AM, AMuzi wrote: snip Nothing objectionable there, all pretty obvious material; a well trod area. Well one thing he gets dead wrong is the difference in economic growth based on which party is in power. From 1945 through 2020Q2, GDP grew 4.1% on average under Democrats, versus 2.5% under Republicans, a difference of 1.6 percentage points. Going back to Eisenhower, the stock market has risen an average of 11% per year under Democratic presidents versus 6.5% for Republicans. The unemployment rate has fallen on average under Democratic presidents, while it has risen on average under Republican presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower, on average, for Democratic presidents. Ten of the 11 U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents. It's clear that under Democratic administrations GDP growth is greater, equity markets fare better, unemployment is lower, budget deficits are lower, and recessions are less likely. The reasons are pretty obvious. Democratic presidents are much less protectionist, they are more focused on economic expansion, they are less likely to engage in wasteful spending, and they are less likely to get us involved in wars. People vote for Republicans for all sorts of reasons, but economic health and performance are not included in those reasons. A healthy percentage of right-wingers are fixated on two issues: abortion and guns. Ironically, abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents because Democrats are more likely to support sex education, contraception, and federally subsidized programs like child care. Republicans like to promote abstinence, a nice theory but not practical. Since Democrats are less likely to support bans on abortion many voters opposed to abortion foolishly choose Republicans which actually results in more abortions not fewer. In terms of guns, Democrats are much more likely to advocate for gun registration, waiting periods, bans on assault weapons, safety interlocks, and bans on certain kinds of ammunition. This may be one reason why there are more mass shootings under Republican presidents versus Democratic presidents, however to be fair, one of the reasons for the increase in mass shooting under Trump was his rhetoric (anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Black, etc.), it was not just the availability of the guns used. We don't care who you want to vote for. Watch the next election and then remember that everyone has guns and that you like to mark yourself as a target. |
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oligarchy and George Carlin
On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
In EVERY tax cut it was far more offset by taxable revenue. And the source of your data is... ? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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