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Old September 24th 11, 07:15 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!

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Injured mountain biker rescued

Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST

A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff’s
Office said.

Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.

Hertler was treated at the scene and flown to St. Charles-Bend for
serious, but non-life-threatening injuries.

http://www.ktvz.com/news/29279571/detail.html

Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend

From KTVZ.COM News Sources
POSTED: 9:15 am PDT September 23, 2011

BEND, Ore. -- A mountain biker from Wisconsin who was injured trying
to make a jump on a trail west of Bend Thursday evening was rescued by
officers and volunteers, authorities said.

Deschutes County sheriff’s deputies and Search and Rescue, as well as
Oregon State Police, were dispatched around 6:15 p.m. to the report of
an injured mountain biker on the Tiddlywinks trail, out of Wanoga Sno-
Park, said sheriff’s Deputy Rhett Hemphill.

They learned Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukie, had been riding his
mountain bike down the trail when he failed to negotiate a jump he’d
gone over and fell, causing serious injury, Hemphill said. A friend
riding with him was able to call 911 and give their location.

Two sheriff’s deputies, an OSP trooper and seven SAR members responded
by mountain bike, ATV and on foot, he said.

Hertler was located and treated on scene by SAR medics, then placed in
a wheeled “ambu-sled” and taken by ATV to the Wanoga Sno-Park, where
he was moved to a waiting AirLink helicopter.
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Old September 24th 11, 07:56 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike


http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...ategory=NEWS01

Injured mountain biker rescued


Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST


A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff’s
Office said.

Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.

-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


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Old September 24th 11, 08:33 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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On Sep 24, 11:56*am, "Wayne" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" *wrote in message

...

"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0....

Injured mountain biker rescued
Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST
A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff s
Office said.


Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.


-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. *But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


Good point! I agree. By the way, what is the "app" for "how to fix my
broken neck"?
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Old September 24th 11, 09:13 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

On Sep 24, 12:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:56*am, "Wayne" wrote:





"Mike Vandeman" *wrote in message


...


"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike


http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0....


Injured mountain biker rescued
Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST
A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff s
Office said.


Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.


-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. *But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


Good point! I agree. By the way, what is the "app" for "how to fix my
broken neck"?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


REAL men don't carry cell phones.
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Old September 26th 11, 02:55 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
charley
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

On Sep 24, 3:13*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sep 24, 12:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:



On Sep 24, 11:56*am, "Wayne" wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" *wrote in message


....


"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike


http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0...


Injured mountain biker rescued
Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST
A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff s
Office said.


Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.


-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. *But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


Good point! I agree. By the way, what is the "app" for "how to fix my
broken neck"?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


REAL men don't carry cell phones.


well, they certainly dont carry hand saws either, do they?
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Old September 26th 11, 10:54 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

On Sep 26, 6:55*am, charley wrote:
On Sep 24, 3:13*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:





On Sep 24, 12:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Sep 24, 11:56*am, "Wayne" wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" *wrote in message


...


"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike


http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0...


Injured mountain biker rescued
Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST
A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff s
Office said.


Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.


-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. *But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


Good point! I agree. By the way, what is the "app" for "how to fix my
broken neck"?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


REAL men don't carry cell phones.


well, they certainly dont carry hand saws either, do they?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes, they do. Habitat restoration is something everyone should be
doing, to try to correct the mess humans have made of the world.
Mountain bikers, on the other hand, only know how to DESTROY habitat.
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Old September 28th 11, 08:26 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
charley
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

On Sep 26, 4:54*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sep 26, 6:55*am, charley wrote:



On Sep 24, 3:13*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Sep 24, 12:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:


On Sep 24, 11:56*am, "Wayne" wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" *wrote in message


...


"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!


Mike


http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0...


Injured mountain biker rescued
Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST
A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff s
Office said.


Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.


-
Hey, jumps on trails are fine. *But, cellfones should not be allowed.
Without the cellfone, the backcountry jumps might be much smaller


Good point! I agree. By the way, what is the "app" for "how to fix my
broken neck"?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


REAL men don't carry cell phones.


well, they certainly dont carry hand saws either, do they?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Yes, they do. Habitat restoration is something everyone should be
doing, to try to correct the mess humans have made of the world.
Mountain bikers, on the other hand, only know how to DESTROY habitat.


you fool. saws only destroy plants and trees, they can do absolutely
nothing to benefit them. a true naturalist would let everything do
its own thing, instead you were on the trail cutting up trees and
vines and who knows what else.

you are a failure and a hypocrite. hows that auto dependency thing
workin' out for ya? about as well as the hope and change??? LOL!

your phd is about as deserved as obamas nobel peace prize. you should
be very proud. ROLL EYES
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Old September 28th 11, 07:56 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

"charley" wrote in message
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[...]
you are a failure and a hypocrite. hows that auto dependency thing

workin' out for ya? about as well as the hope and change??? LOL!

your phd is about as deserved as obamas nobel peace prize. you should

be very proud. ROLL EYES

Obama is going to be a one term president. He is even worse than Carter,
something I hitherto thought was impossible. Obama not only represents
personal failure, but failure of the entire liberal progressive ideology. He
couldn't even get health care right!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old October 2nd 11, 05:15 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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On Sep 24, 11:15*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
"Jumps" obviously don't belong on trails.... DUH!

Mike

http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbc...20110924/NEWS0....

Injured mountain biker rescued

Published: September 24. 2011 4:00AM PST

A mountain biker who injured himself while riding near the Wanoga Sno
Park was rescued Thursday evening, the Deschutes County Sheriff’s
Office said.

Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukee, was riding down the Tiddlywinks Trail
when he failed to negotiate a jump, seriously injuring himself. A
friend who had been riding with him called 911 and directed rescuers
to their location.

Hertler was treated at the scene and flown to St. Charles-Bend for
serious, but non-life-threatening injuries.

http://www.ktvz.com/news/29279571/detail.html

Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend

From KTVZ.COM News Sources
POSTED: 9:15 am PDT September 23, 2011

BEND, Ore. -- A mountain biker from Wisconsin who was injured trying
to make a jump on a trail west of Bend Thursday evening was rescued by
officers and volunteers, authorities said.

Deschutes County sheriff’s deputies and Search and Rescue, as well as
Oregon State Police, were dispatched around 6:15 p.m. to the report of
an injured mountain biker on the Tiddlywinks trail, out of Wanoga Sno-
Park, said sheriff’s Deputy Rhett Hemphill.

They learned Perry Hertler, 40, of Milwaukie, had been riding his
mountain bike down the trail when he failed to negotiate a jump he’d
gone over and fell, causing serious injury, Hemphill said. A friend
riding with him was able to call 911 and give their location.

Two sheriff’s deputies, an OSP trooper and seven SAR members responded
by mountain bike, ATV and on foot, he said.

Hertler was located and treated on scene by SAR medics, then placed in
a wheeled “ambu-sled” and taken by ATV to the Wanoga Sno-Park, where
he was moved to a waiting AirLink helicopter.


The risk of injury is one that every mountain biker understands, and
thus undertakes in the sport accordingly. It is unfortunate that this
man is injured, but it is not unheard of by any means. Every aspect of
our life involves risk, even riding public transportation, something
you often advocate, and it is up to the individual to decide what
risks to take. No one forces you to ride your bike off of jumps, it is
entirely a personal choice.

Mountain bike trails often contain jumps because negotiating them is
extremely enjoyable, such that the discipline of riding called Dirt
jumping has been created specifically for that purpose. Pictured in
the link below is a series of dirt jumps of various sizes.

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/7211388/

Trails that are multi-use, ie. intended for both hikers and cyclists,
will almost never have jumps on them, and if they do they will be
easily negotiable, and not feature gaps between the take off and the
landing as shown in the picture below.

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/7185647/

Trails that are created for the purpose of cycling on the other hand,
are free to have whatever stunts they like, as only cyclists will be
attempting them. An example of something built on a mountain biking
specific trail that shouldn't be on a multi use trail is the teeter-
totter shown in the picture below.

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5008169/

I see no issue with stunts like jumps on mountain bike specific
trails, for the very reason that they are intended for the use of
cyclists only.

Please do not respond to this post by saying "did you say
something?",
as you so often do, ignoring someone's statements in that manner is
simply a method of admitting that they are right. I would much prefer
you to actually comment upon what I (and others have to say), so that
we can engage in a proper, intelligent discussion or debate.

SW
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Old October 3rd 11, 02:15 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Default ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

"SebastianW" wrote in message
...
[...]
The risk of injury is one that every mountain biker understands, and

thus undertakes in the sport accordingly. It is unfortunate that this
man is injured, but it is not unheard of by any means. Every aspect of
our life involves risk, even riding public transportation, something
you often advocate, and it is up to the individual to decide what
risks to take. No one forces you to ride your bike off of jumps, it is
entirely a personal choice.

Cyclists who do a lot of mountain biking do indeed know the risks, but most
neophytes do not. Their brains are full of all sorts of nonsense about how
enjoyable it can be without any awareness of the dangers. Mr. Vandeman
performs a valuable service by informing neophytes of the dangers.

Mountain bike trails often contain jumps because negotiating them is

extremely enjoyable, such that the discipline of riding called Dirt
jumping has been created specifically for that purpose. Pictured in
the link below is a series of dirt jumps of various sizes.

Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for
them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers.
Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them.

Trails that are multi-use, ie. intended for both hikers and cyclists,

will almost never have jumps on them, and if they do they will be
easily negotiable, and not feature gaps between the take off and the
landing as shown in the picture below.

"Multi-use trail" is an oxy-moron. Cyclists need their own trails just as
hikers do.

Trails that are created for the purpose of cycling on the other hand,

are free to have whatever stunts they like, as only cyclists will be
attempting them. An example of something built on a mountain biking
specific trail that shouldn't be on a multi use trail is the teeter-
totter shown in the picture below.

"Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for
them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers.
Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them." - Ed Dolan

I see no issue with stunts like jumps on mountain bike specific

trails, for the very reason that they are intended for the use of
cyclists only.

Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill
themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere
near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



 




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