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Old August 5th 20, 12:58 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_2_]
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.
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Old August 5th 20, 01:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.


Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old August 5th 20, 01:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On 8/4/2020 5:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the
teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single
Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any
Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and
Ineos is British.


Your question may have no answer or the answer may be meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even sometimes dual
citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example, Bianchi is a
Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames with Japanese parts. Is
that little Red-White-Green sticker Italian enough for you?


IIRC, Univega was created to market Taiwan-built bicycles at lower cost
than their Italian Italvega brand. Now Univega is just another Derby
Cycle brand. Do they even market bicycle under the Univega brand anymore?

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Old August 5th 20, 05:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 1:41:34 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.


Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


And from the ridiculous to the sublime, Gazelle was once the Dutch licensee of Raleigh... -- AJ

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Old August 5th 20, 06:01 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_2_]
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.

Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Although 7/11 was an American team they did have foreign riders. Same with Team Motorola. America changed the face of European bike racing buy bringing proper pay to the bicycle racer. You're not suggesting that Italian Teams couldn't bring their own character to the Grand Tours are you? Maybe half of the teams in the Tour are French
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Old August 5th 20, 06:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On 8/5/2020 12:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.

Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?


Although 7/11 was an American team they did have foreign riders. Same with Team Motorola. America changed the face of European bike racing buy bringing proper pay to the bicycle racer. You're not suggesting that Italian Teams couldn't bring their own character to the Grand Tours are you? Maybe half of the teams in the Tour are French


I have no idea or opinion.
In fact, I think this entire area of inquiry has become
pointless in our modern world.

related: Pagani uses German engines. It it still 'Italian'?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old August 5th 20, 07:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 6:37:56 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/5/2020 12:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.

Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?


Although 7/11 was an American team they did have foreign riders. Same with Team Motorola. America changed the face of European bike racing buy bringing proper pay to the bicycle racer. You're not suggesting that Italian Teams couldn't bring their own character to the Grand Tours are you? Maybe half of the teams in the Tour are French


I have no idea or opinion.
In fact, I think this entire area of inquiry has become
pointless in our modern world.

related: Pagani uses German engines. It it still 'Italian'?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Lamborghini is owned by VW of Wolfsburg, Germany. Ducati is owned by Audi, part of the VW group. Bentley is owned by VW but made or at least assembled in Britain. Rolls-Royce is owned by BMW. God alone knows who now owns Land-Rover or Jaguar -- last I heard they were owned by the Indian Tata group. Rover is Chinese. Nissan nee Datsun is French, part of the Renault group. Mazda is American, owned by General Motors. Chrysler is Italian, owned by FIAT, which also owns Ferrari and Maserati and Alfa-Romeo.

Andre Jute
Spot the patriotic car manufacturer
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Old August 5th 20, 09:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 6:58:24 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.


https://www.uci.org/road/teams

There are ZERO Italian UCI Worldteams (men). There are a total of 19 UCI World teams. Which I assume means no sponsoring company/group chose to register/set up in Italy. Due to money or legal or hassle reasons most likely. Kind of like many/most USA corporations are officially incorporated in Delaware in the USA. And some have become officially Ireland companies recently. MMM 3M is a Minnesota company. Everyone knows that. Their corporate headquarters are in a suburb of St. Paul. But the company was incorporated in Delaware in 1929. Medtronic, the medical supplies company, is incorporated in Ireland. They were started near Minneapolis 70 years ago.
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Old August 5th 20, 09:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 10:37:56 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/5/2020 12:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.

Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?


Although 7/11 was an American team they did have foreign riders. Same with Team Motorola. America changed the face of European bike racing buy bringing proper pay to the bicycle racer. You're not suggesting that Italian Teams couldn't bring their own character to the Grand Tours are you? Maybe half of the teams in the Tour are French


I have no idea or opinion.
In fact, I think this entire area of inquiry has become
pointless in our modern world.

related: Pagani uses German engines. It it still 'Italian'?


Trek-Segafredo is half-Italian. https://segafredocoffee.com/

All these teams have licenses and ownership structures that you may or may not see on the jerseys. A company forms to run a team, goes out and gets a sponsor, and when that sponsor pulls out, it gets another sponsor or goes out of business. Mapei was an Italian sponsor of a team formed in Belgium -- that now has Belgian sponsors (Quick Step). Lotto Jumbo NL was Belkin, Rabobank, Novell, WordPerfect, Buckler-Colnago, Superconfex-Yoko and Kwantum-Decosol -- all one company with multiple, succesive sponsors. It was Buckler-Colnago for a period. Hey, it was a half-Italian team! Sometimes companies will just create their own teams or buy a team, so its ownership and not sponsorship. https://www.outsideonline.com/239229...ling-new-owner

The Italian sponsors have not been stepping up, probably since pro cycling is a huge money sponge. Might as well buy advertising on Googlio.

It would be interesting to see how these teams are organized as a business. I've organized some amateur teams as 501(c)(3) and ridden on them under various jersey names for the same club. EF bought Slipstream, but Slipstream cycled through a lot of names, Garmin, Cannondale, etc., etc.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old August 5th 20, 09:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_2_]
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Default No Italian Teams in the Tour de France!!!!!

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 10:37:56 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/5/2020 12:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 5:41:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/4/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got another disinteresting copy of Velonews and it showed the teams that will ride the Tour de France. And there wasn't a single Italian team on it. This brings up the question - Are there any Italian based teams anymore? There are a lot of Italian Teams and Ineos is British.

Your question may have no answer or the answer may be
meaningless:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ke-guide-2020/

Riders have mixed parentage, fluid citizenship and even
sometimes dual citizenship so who is Italian?

Bike brands are more convoluted in that, for example,
Bianchi is a Nederlander company mostly selling Asian frames
with Japanese parts. Is that little Red-White-Green sticker
Italian enough for you?


Although 7/11 was an American team they did have foreign riders. Same with Team Motorola. America changed the face of European bike racing buy bringing proper pay to the bicycle racer. You're not suggesting that Italian Teams couldn't bring their own character to the Grand Tours are you? Maybe half of the teams in the Tour are French


I have no idea or opinion.
In fact, I think this entire area of inquiry has become
pointless in our modern world.

related: Pagani uses German engines. It it still 'Italian'?

Trek-Segafredo is half-Italian. https://segafredocoffee.com/

All these teams have licenses and ownership structures that you may or may not see on the jerseys. A company forms to run a team, goes out and gets a sponsor, and when that sponsor pulls out, it gets another sponsor or goes out of business. Mapei was an Italian sponsor of a team formed in Belgium -- that now has Belgian sponsors (Quick Step). Lotto Jumbo NL was Belkin, Rabobank, Novell, WordPerfect, Buckler-Colnago, Superconfex-Yoko and Kwantum-Decosol -- all one company with multiple, succesive sponsors. It was Buckler-Colnago for a period. Hey, it was a half-Italian team! Sometimes companies will just create their own teams or buy a team, so its ownership and not sponsorship. https://www.outsideonline.com/239229...ling-new-owner

The Italian sponsors have not been stepping up, probably since pro cycling is a huge money sponge. Might as well buy advertising on Googlio.

It would be interesting to see how these teams are organized as a business. I've organized some amateur teams as 501(c)(3) and ridden on them under various jersey names for the same club. EF bought Slipstream, but Slipstream cycled through a lot of names, Garmin, Cannondale, etc., etc.

-- Jay Beattie.

Well, you guys have managed o make me lose all interest in the grand tours now.
 




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