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Wiggins criticizes Brunyeel
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso, last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. "The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport. What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to play by the rules - including the team managers." |
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Wiggins criticizes Brunyeel
On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/? id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso, last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. "The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport. What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to play by the rules - including the team managers." Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros, of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of doping as an amateur. Bill C |
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On Jul 31, 12:28 pm, Bill C wrote:
On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/? id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso, last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. "The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport. What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to play by the rules - including the team managers." Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros, of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of doping as an amateur. Bill C- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sinkewitz fired after confession Face it Bill, Smoke equals fire. You cannot defend this sport they have let you down |
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On Jul 31, 1:20 pm, wrote:
On Jul 31, 12:28 pm, Bill C wrote: On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/? id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso, last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. "The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport. What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to play by the rules - including the team managers." Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros, of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of doping as an amateur. Bill C- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sinkewitz fired after confession Face it Bill, Smoke equals fire. You cannot defend this sport they have let you down- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep there are lots of people doping. Let's find them and deal with them in an open, honest, verifiable system of due process. If that was done then I would have very little problem with a lifetime ban for a 2nd offense. One of the problems with this is that the most sophisticated of the dopers will aways be ahead of the testing, and the richest teams and riders will be able to spend for those new methods. The rich get richer, we still have no guarantee anything is clean and fair, and riders not attached to the big program teams fell they need to dope to compete, but get busted because theyu don't have the resources. That works for you all? Name me a sport that's cleaner, or gone after dopers harder? Then prove it. Bill C |
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On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/? id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: [...] Bruyneel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. Hmmm. I don't see anywhere in that article where Wiggins criticized Moreni or Eric Boyer. |
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Wiggins criticizes Brunyeel
Dan Connelly wrote:
wrote: Sinkewitz fired after confession Face it Bill, Smoke equals fire. You cannot defend this sport they have let you down Great: so imagine you get called into your boss's office, and he says someone reported seeing your Trek parked on a wheelchair ramp. He fires you, ignoring your claims of innocence. You search for jobs, but nobody will hire you, as word gets around. Nice. Basso has been cleared by the Italian federation. You can't black-list people on smoke. Really, then why has he recived a 24 month quarentene? And why didn't he appeal it? -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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Wiggins criticizes Brunyeel
On Jul 31, 9:03 pm, Morten Reippuert wrote:
wrote: On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, samson wrote: http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/? id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07 He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: [...] Bruyneel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract. Hmmm. I don't see anywhere in that article where Wiggins criticized Moreni or Eric Boyer. Perhaps they didn't offor Basso, Paulinio, Contador and Davis a contract afterer OP. Ah. That's right: it's not actual doping that's bad. It's hiring suspicious guys. And the reason Wiggins didn't finish the Tour wasn't because Moreni doped and got caught: it was because Bruyneel hired Basso. |
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Wiggins criticizes Brunyeel
On Jul 31, 1:41 pm, Dan Connelly
wrote: Great: so imagine you get called into your boss's office, and he says someone reported seeing your Trek parked on a wheelchair ramp. He fires you, ignoring your claims of innocence. You search for jobs, but nobody will hire you, as word gets around. Nice. Basso has been cleared by the Italian federation. You can't black-list people on smoke. While I'm not in the smoke=fire camp, your example bolsters that position since Basso confessed to attempted doping in connection to Operation Puerto. I suppose one could argue that attempted doping is only smoke, but no fire, the intent to commit arson was clearly there. |
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