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On 4/15/2020 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2020 3:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/15/2020 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/15/2020 11:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/14/2020 8:23 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is wrong. Earth to Tom. There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United States than Donald Trump.テつ* He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock.テつ* Trump has no understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is what the Constitution exists to do).テつ* He thinks he is a king and unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one.テつ* There has never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump. Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office). And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or outside of his administration.テつ* The people who attempt to do so wake up one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility.テつ* He takes his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes. You set some pretty low standards there but lots of unqualified doofuses meet them. Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria ISIS is the JV Team Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict ACA will save a family $2500 per year. You can keep your doctor. That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and a few minutes' research will show plenty more. My pick: https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...trump-in-three 16,241 to five. So far. As long as we're in that area, "If we pass this civil rights bill, we'll have the n*gra vote for a hundred years"ツ* Oh, wait. That was a blunt heartfelt truth. A) Who are you pretending to quote? B) Got that on tape, or on some official transcript? C) Most pertinent: Are you saying it was a lie - that they would NOT have the black vote? I'm talking about statements that are shown to be false, or at least seriously misleading. If you're still arguing that 16241 is not greater than five, I think you can easily find five times Trump claimed he didn't say what he's on camera saying. And often within a few days! Just to whet your appetite: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/polit...ing/index.html You're in an area where truth itself now is the enemy of all players, as evidenced by the twists of the editors in your link. No, sorry. "Truth is now the enemy of all players" is a claim as vague as the all-purpose "Fake news." It descends into an unreality where there is no difference between fact and fiction. All 16,000 claims of Trump's falsehoods are inaccurate smears? All are just creative editing? Start here and explain: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...t-three-years/ Or start he https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...line_manual_35 ** Hey, it's searchable! Similarly, full employment is good for the nation and incidentally benefits the President. Those are the two main reasons it's so rabidly opposed. Documentation, please. Who precisely has said they oppose full employment? Did they say they oppose it specifically because it's good for Trump? Here's Lyndon 'bought his first election' Johnson: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-d...s-two_b_933995 Yes, Johnson was foul mouthed. Yes, he was a nasty dude. No, I never liked him. But that's true of thousands of politicians. Bringing it up is a Kunich-style deflection. I was talking about 16,000+ false statements vs. five. The orange guy is setting records daily. Now that truth and data have no meaning, Hah. Again: "Reality is biased against the right." Another, although I don't much like the labels: "Liberals like data because data lets people be more intelligent. Conservatives hates data because it makes people liberal." ... deaths by anything where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is called a death by the Chinese virus.* Oh, that helps epidemiology a lot. Again, from https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm "What are seasonal influenza-related deaths? Seasonal influenza-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death." From what I can tell, the same policy is followed for COVID. There's similar controversy about hurricane deaths, flood deaths, earthquake deaths, etc. Even for those, there are arguments in favor and against counting "The power went out for a week and this person froze to death." What's the best policy does and should depend on real (non-political) objectives. It's complicated. Deal with it. But don't pretend that those people didn't die, and that they would have lived if not for COVID. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 4/15/2020 6:41 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:13:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/14/2020 9:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:23:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is wrong. Earth to Tom. There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United States than Donald Trump. He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock. Trump has no understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is what the Constitution exists to do). He thinks he is a king and unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one. There has never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump. Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office). And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or outside of his administration. The people who attempt to do so wake up one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility. He takes his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes. You set some pretty low standards there but lots of unqualified doofuses meet them. Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria ISIS is the JV Team Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict ACA will save a family $2500 per year. You can keep your doctor. That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and a few minutes' research will show plenty more. Amazingly, this President is still derided after the fact even when it's baseless: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...from-covid-19/ But hey if you're enjoying yourself, carry on. p.s. As I mentioned here recently, I often hear the radio news from several networks on small town AM stations and I can't say they differ in any noticeable way. They're all anodyne and curt. What do you think makes Fox different from SRN news? or ABC news? Really I don't get it. What I find infuriating about the news is that they tend to have lurid headlines and normally lack sufficient details for the listener/viewer to determine what actually happened. +1 I hear more ineptitude than political influence. YMMV But I do believe that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to write about controversial subjects without at least a tiny bit of your own prejudices creeping into the article. +1 -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 02:04:48 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:26:20 +0700, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:02:44 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Similarly, full employment is good for the nation Nit pick, the term "good" is relative. 5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer to immediately recruit from. Interesting concept. Note that Thailand has had less then 1% unemployment since 2011, until the current virus episode. Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in an effort to survive. "The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for decades. and incidentally benefits the President. Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for any length of time. Actually a government can have a very large effect on employment levels. Singapore, for example, where offering essentially tax free status to companies that would relocate to the Island, guaranteeing no labor problems, and low overhead costs, has attained a very high rate of employment. In fact over a million foreigners work in Singapore so the number of jobs is actually larger than the number of Singaporean to fill them. Your post is almost a 100% example of lies, damm lies and statistics. The real situation in singapore is not the rose view painted by GovCo. Where GovCo is concerned, they can write the definitions of how the statistics are measured. Hence "employed = 1 hour of work per week" here. I reguard truth in Singapore as a hairs breath away from truth in China. At least here we have a "free" press that isn't afraid to lead with the UNDERemployment figure which is double to treble the official unemployment figure. Well, it was until all those people on "bridging visas" were told to **** off, aka go home. Well, granted I haven't visited Singapore for some months now but I spent considerable time there for some twenty years or more. You see, the company I worked for did business in Singapore and maintained a branch office there, all of which fell under my supervision so I was there at least monthly for 20 years or more, and I might point out that even after I retired I still maintained contact with office personnel. And, I might add, we hired Singapore companies as sub-contractors, we used Singapore financing for some projects, and of course hired Singapore Staff so I suggest that having actually lived there, been in business there, and even read the newspaper there, is a tiny little chance that I know more about what I am talking about than someone who simply reads about it on the web. By the way, there is no such thing as a "bridging visas" in Singapore. They have such things as "Employment Pass", "S Pass", "Work Permit (FDW)", "Work Permit (Construction)", and even "Other Work Passes" which cover personnel under training and the like. But no "bridging visas". The International Labour Organization tells us that out of a total population of 5.07 million, roughly 1.3 million people in Singapore are in the foreign work force. While the Singapore Government figure is that there are 1,399,600 as of Jun 2019. Oh! I forgot the Domestic workers (House Maids), some 255,000 :-) You see, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:41:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 4/15/2020 6:09 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/15/2020 3:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/15/2020 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/15/2020 11:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/14/2020 8:23 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is wrong. Earth to Tom. There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United States than Donald Trump.テつ* He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock.テつ* Trump has no understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is what the Constitution exists to do).テつ* He thinks he is a king and unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one.テつ* There has never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump. Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office). And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or outside of his administration.テつ* The people who attempt to do so wake up one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility.テつ* He takes his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes. You set some pretty low standards there but lots of unqualified doofuses meet them. Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria ISIS is the JV Team Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict ACA will save a family $2500 per year. You can keep your doctor. That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and a few minutes' research will show plenty more. My pick: https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...trump-in-three 16,241 to five. So far. As long as we're in that area, "If we pass this civil rights bill, we'll have the n*gra vote for a hundred years"ツ* Oh, wait. That was a blunt heartfelt truth. A) Who are you pretending to quote? B) Got that on tape, or on some official transcript? C) Most pertinent: Are you saying it was a lie - that they would NOT have the black vote? I'm talking about statements that are shown to be false, or at least seriously misleading. If you're still arguing that 16241 is not greater than five, I think you can easily find five times Trump claimed he didn't say what he's on camera saying. And often within a few days! Just to whet your appetite: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/polit...ing/index.html You're in an area where truth itself now is the enemy of all players, as evidenced by the twists of the editors in your link. No, sorry. "Truth is now the enemy of all players" is a claim as vague as the all-purpose "Fake news." It descends into an unreality where there is no difference between fact and fiction. All 16,000 claims of Trump's falsehoods are inaccurate smears? All are just creative editing? Start here and explain: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...t-three-years/ Or start he https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...line_manual_35 ** Hey, it's searchable! Similarly, full employment is good for the nation and incidentally benefits the President. Those are the two main reasons it's so rabidly opposed. Documentation, please. Who precisely has said they oppose full employment? Did they say they oppose it specifically because it's good for Trump? Here's Lyndon 'bought his first election' Johnson: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-d...s-two_b_933995 Yes, Johnson was foul mouthed. Yes, he was a nasty dude. No, I never liked him. But that's true of thousands of politicians. Bringing it up is a Kunich-style deflection. I was talking about 16,000+ false statements vs. five. The orange guy is setting records daily. Now that truth and data have no meaning, Hah. Again: "Reality is biased against the right." Another, although I don't much like the labels: "Liberals like data because data lets people be more intelligent. Conservatives hates data because it makes people liberal." ... deaths by anything where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is called a death by the Chinese virus.* Oh, that helps epidemiology a lot. Again, from https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm "What are seasonal influenza-related deaths? Seasonal influenza-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death." From what I can tell, the same policy is followed for COVID. I took the time to look it up and the CDC death certificate has four lines for cause labeled: "a. IMMEDIATE CAUSE (Final disease or condition resulting in death)" followed by three more lines labeled "Sequentially list conditions, if any, leading to the cause listed on line a. Enter the UNDERLYING CAUSE (disease or injury that initiated the events resulting in death) LAST" see https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf for examples. There's similar controversy about hurricane deaths, flood deaths, earthquake deaths, etc. Even for those, there are arguments in favor and against counting "The power went out for a week and this person froze to death." What's the best policy does and should depend on real (non-political) objectives. It's complicated. Deal with it. But don't pretend that those people didn't die, and that they would have lived if not for COVID. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 22:24:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 4/15/2020 8:41 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:31:06 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 4/15/2020 7:02 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Similarly, full employment is good for the nation Nit pick, the term "good" is relative. 5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer to immediately recruit from. Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in an effort to survive. "The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for decades. and incidentally benefits the President. Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for any length of time. Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are pocketing ten. Odd situation, that. Your elites need to pick up their game! Here we just spent $2.2 trillion (no kidding $2,200,000,000,000.00) which we do not have. Of that, some $350 billion will be paid later or much later in $1200 increments to each taxpayer who reported under $99K. Of those taxpayers something between 10 and twenty percent are recently unemployed and some subset of those are in dire need. Not so much now as a week or two ago. They're desperate now. Some sharp guy, like you maybe, will ask where the big chunk, some 85%, went. Good question! Who knows and who cares? We're all Argentines now! Among the beneficiaries is Boeing, who posted zero [0, big fat null] in aircraft sales for January, well before the Chinese virus arrived on the front page of your paper. Well that oughta work out. Anyone care to explain that to waitresses, some of whom have been borrowing money for 2 weeks already? Every story seems to have a twist to add insult to injury. Of late the giveaway to pals program is being called 'stimulus'. WTF? Doesn't anyone read economics? There's healthy demand and ample supply but there's a regulatory ban on commerce. What is this supposed to stimulate again? Not consumption and not production at any rate. I'm not done. The porkfest was enjoyed by both Houses with the Senate diving in 96 to zero. And our President signed the damned thing. We're so over. He didn't just sign it. He's withholding the checks until his name is embossed on them. Will we have to swear fealty to cash them? No, simply advance, on your knees, and when you are at arm's length bow your head to the ground and hold your right hand out. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:51:51 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 02:04:48 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:26:20 +0700, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:02:44 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Similarly, full employment is good for the nation Nit pick, the term "good" is relative. 5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer to immediately recruit from. Interesting concept. Note that Thailand has had less then 1% unemployment since 2011, until the current virus episode. Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in an effort to survive. "The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for decades. and incidentally benefits the President. Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for any length of time. Actually a government can have a very large effect on employment levels. Singapore, for example, where offering essentially tax free status to companies that would relocate to the Island, guaranteeing no labor problems, and low overhead costs, has attained a very high rate of employment. In fact over a million foreigners work in Singapore so the number of jobs is actually larger than the number of Singaporean to fill them. Your post is almost a 100% example of lies, damm lies and statistics. The real situation in singapore is not the rose view painted by GovCo. Where GovCo is concerned, they can write the definitions of how the statistics are measured. Hence "employed = 1 hour of work per week" here. I reguard truth in Singapore as a hairs breath away from truth in China. At least here we have a "free" press that isn't afraid to lead with the UNDERemployment figure which is double to treble the official unemployment figure. Well, it was until all those people on "bridging visas" were told to **** off, aka go home. Well, granted I haven't visited Singapore for some months now but I spent considerable time there for some twenty years or more. You see, the company I worked for did business in Singapore and maintained a branch office there, all of which fell under my supervision so I was there at least monthly for 20 years or more, and I might point out that even after I retired I still maintained contact with office personnel. And, I might add, we hired Singapore companies as sub-contractors, we used Singapore financing for some projects, and of course hired Singapore Staff so I suggest that having actually lived there, been in business there, and even read the newspaper there, is a tiny little chance that I know more about what I am talking about than someone who simply reads about it on the web. By the way, there is no such thing as a "bridging visas" in Singapore. They have such things as "Employment Pass", "S Pass", "Work Permit (FDW)", "Work Permit (Construction)", and even "Other Work Passes" which cover personnel under training and the like. But no "bridging visas". Generic term for all the above and the others you later remember/add. Hint, what happens when those run out.. The International Labour Organization tells us that out of a total population of 5.07 million, roughly 1.3 million people in Singapore are in the foreign work force. While the Singapore Government figure is that there are 1,399,600 as of Jun 2019. Oh! I forgot the Domestic workers (House Maids), some 255,000 :-) You see, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. Yep, Australia has just told the equivalent of all those you emention to **** off home so they do not appear on their "unemployment" figures. You can work out what the effect to the economy is going to be. |
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Am 16.04.2020 um 00:57 schrieb Joy Beeson:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:09:18 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Now that truth and data have no meaning, deaths by anything where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is called a death by the Chinese virus. Oh, that helps epidemiology a lot. And in counting up the cost, are we going to include the people who died because they were afraid to go to the emergeny room, or because "elective" surgery turned out to be a bit more urgent than was thought? Not to mention that poverty kills. The shortage of data-gathering equipment is going to cost us dearly when the next SARS epidemic starts to spread. For the global impact of the pandemics, it is sufficient look at total mortaility rates. New York City had double the maximum mortality rate of the last 10 years since last week of March. |
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On 4/16/2020 6:03 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 16.04.2020 um 00:57 schrieb Joy Beeson: On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:09:18 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Now that truth and data have no meaning, deaths by anything where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is called a death by the Chinese virus.ツ* Oh, that helps epidemiology a lot. And in counting up the cost, are we going to include the people who died because they were afraid to go to the emergeny room, or because "elective" surgery turned out to be a bit more urgent than was thought? Not to mention that poverty kills. The shortage of data-gathering equipment is going to cost us dearly when the next SARS epidemic starts to spread. For the global impact of the pandemics, it is sufficient look at total mortaility rates.ツ* New York City had double the maximum mortality rate of the last 10 years since last week of March. Exactly. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:23:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is wrong. Earth to Tom. There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United States than Donald Trump. He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock. Trump has no understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is what the Constitution exists to do). He thinks he is a king and unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one. There has never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump. Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office). And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or outside of his administration. The people who attempt to do so wake up one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility. He takes his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes. You set some pretty low standards there but lots of unqualified doofuses meet them. All of whom, in my lifetime, were vastly more qualified and competent than the current UberDoofus. The biggest, best, most beautiful doofus in the history of the White House! Lots of people are saying that! But it has electrolytes... Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria ISIS is the JV Team Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict ACA will save a family $2500 per year. You can keep your doctor. Sorry, my software mangled your formatting. That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and a few minutes' research will show plenty more. A few cherry picked examples. How does that stack up against the more than 16,000 fact-checked lies spoken by Donald Trump since his inauguration? Or maybe you just don't care about that. 40% of the electorate doesn't, after all. The conservatives of this country have been nursing a victim mentality for so many decades that maybe having this asshole in the Oval Office feels like vindication. Amazingly, this President is still derided after the fact even when it's baseless: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...from-covid-19/ As the saying goes, "data" is not the plural of "anecdote," Andrew. The actual scientific studies don't show a useful effect size *and* the frequency of heart rhythm problems caused by hydroxychloroquine is significantly high. The second French study called a halt because of it. It would be great if it did work, but so far it doesn't. Other drugs are being tested, some with greater initial promise. Unfortunately the trials are badly designed which renders the results all but uninterpretable, leaving little or no guidance as to treatment that can be extracted. In the meantime, the federal government's incompetence stands in the way of wider testing, in order to prevent Trump's numbers from getting worse: more testing = more confirmed cases and more confirmed deaths. And Trump lies about it over and over and over. He has made it quite clear that the deaths of tens of thousands of us matter not at all to him, so longs as he comes out ahead. His personal gain is all he cares about. But you're OK with that, apparently, and want to pretend there is some sort of moral equivalence between- so far- 40,000 dead Americans and 750,000 (and probably an order of magnitude more) sick ones with "you can keep your doctor" (which by the way you could, unless the doctor didn't sign up to be a provider with your insurance plan...). **** that, Andrew. I am not buying it. Donald Trump's derelection of duty is stunning, his incapacity to be truthful is frightening, his failure as a president is epic and unprecedented, and Americans cheering him on is the most disheartening thing I have ever witnessed in my life. Within a week more Americans will have died in the COVID-19 epidemic than died in Vietnam. That's what your president is presiding over, Andrew. And more will die after that. What are the acceptable losses? 100,000? 200,000? Your parents, your siblings, your children? The acceptability of losses tends to depend on how far away they are from us personally. But hey if you're enjoying yourself, carry on. No, actually there is nothing enjoyable about this. I am watching my nation and everything it has stood for (especially since WW I) be destroyed by a raving moron and the ass-lickers who surround him. He has handed leadership of the world to Russia and China, has congratulated and admired tyrants, has attacked and denigrated our allies, has reneged on the promises and faithfulness of America, has damaged constitutional government, has viciously maligned patriotic Americans over and over, and has betrayed his oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution multiple times. There is not a shred of decency in the man. He is a traitor to America and is praised for it by people who delude themselves into thinking they are patriots. **** that, Andrew. p.s. As I mentioned here recently, I often hear the radio news from several networks on small town AM stations and I can't say they differ in any noticeable way. They're all anodyne and curt. What do you think makes Fox different from SRN news? or ABC news? Really I don't get it. Fox News exists to publish a political agenda and to sway people into thinking a particular way. It is not a news outlet, it is a propaganda outlet. The founder was quite open about this. The goal was to get people to stop thinking critically in order to propel a certain political mindset into power. ABC, NBC, CBS do not do that, Andrew. I don't know who the heck SRN News is, so I can't comment on them. I think MSNBC attempts to do a Fox New type agenda but from the other end of the spectrum, at least to some extent, and I don't watch them either. If you can't see the glaring differences that are so instantly obvious between Fox News and the other agitprop organizations, then I have no answer for that. |
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On 4/20/2020 6:55 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:23:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is wrong. Earth to Tom. There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United States than Donald Trump. He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock. Trump has no understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is what the Constitution exists to do). He thinks he is a king and unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one. There has never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump. Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office). And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or outside of his administration. The people who attempt to do so wake up one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility. He takes his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes. You set some pretty low standards there but lots of unqualified doofuses meet them. All of whom, in my lifetime, were vastly more qualified and competent than the current UberDoofus. The biggest, best, most beautiful doofus in the history of the White House! Lots of people are saying that! But it has electrolytes... Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria ISIS is the JV Team Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict ACA will save a family $2500 per year. You can keep your doctor. Sorry, my software mangled your formatting. That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and a few minutes' research will show plenty more. A few cherry picked examples. How does that stack up against the more than 16,000 fact-checked lies spoken by Donald Trump since his inauguration? Or maybe you just don't care about that. 40% of the electorate doesn't, after all. The conservatives of this country have been nursing a victim mentality for so many decades that maybe having this asshole in the Oval Office feels like vindication. Amazingly, this President is still derided after the fact even when it's baseless: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...from-covid-19/ As the saying goes, "data" is not the plural of "anecdote," Andrew. The actual scientific studies don't show a useful effect size *and* the frequency of heart rhythm problems caused by hydroxychloroquine is significantly high. The second French study called a halt because of it. It would be great if it did work, but so far it doesn't. Other drugs are being tested, some with greater initial promise. Unfortunately the trials are badly designed which renders the results all but uninterpretable, leaving little or no guidance as to treatment that can be extracted. In the meantime, the federal government's incompetence stands in the way of wider testing, in order to prevent Trump's numbers from getting worse: more testing = more confirmed cases and more confirmed deaths. And Trump lies about it over and over and over. He has made it quite clear that the deaths of tens of thousands of us matter not at all to him, so longs as he comes out ahead. His personal gain is all he cares about. But you're OK with that, apparently, and want to pretend there is some sort of moral equivalence between- so far- 40,000 dead Americans and 750,000 (and probably an order of magnitude more) sick ones with "you can keep your doctor" (which by the way you could, unless the doctor didn't sign up to be a provider with your insurance plan...). **** that, Andrew. I am not buying it. Donald Trump's derelection of duty is stunning, his incapacity to be truthful is frightening, his failure as a president is epic and unprecedented, and Americans cheering him on is the most disheartening thing I have ever witnessed in my life. Within a week more Americans will have died in the COVID-19 epidemic than died in Vietnam. That's what your president is presiding over, Andrew. And more will die after that. What are the acceptable losses? 100,000? 200,000? Your parents, your siblings, your children? The acceptability of losses tends to depend on how far away they are from us personally. But hey if you're enjoying yourself, carry on. No, actually there is nothing enjoyable about this. I am watching my nation and everything it has stood for (especially since WW I) be destroyed by a raving moron and the ass-lickers who surround him. He has handed leadership of the world to Russia and China, has congratulated and admired tyrants, has attacked and denigrated our allies, has reneged on the promises and faithfulness of America, has damaged constitutional government, has viciously maligned patriotic Americans over and over, and has betrayed his oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution multiple times. There is not a shred of decency in the man. He is a traitor to America and is praised for it by people who delude themselves into thinking they are patriots. **** that, Andrew. p.s. As I mentioned here recently, I often hear the radio news from several networks on small town AM stations and I can't say they differ in any noticeable way. They're all anodyne and curt. What do you think makes Fox different from SRN news? or ABC news? Really I don't get it. Fox News exists to publish a political agenda and to sway people into thinking a particular way. It is not a news outlet, it is a propaganda outlet. The founder was quite open about this. The goal was to get people to stop thinking critically in order to propel a certain political mindset into power. ABC, NBC, CBS do not do that, Andrew. I don't know who the heck SRN News is, so I can't comment on them. I think MSNBC attempts to do a Fox New type agenda but from the other end of the spectrum, at least to some extent, and I don't watch them either. If you can't see the glaring differences that are so instantly obvious between Fox News and the other agitprop organizations, then I have no answer for that. I cannot, sincerely, hear any difference in (or any excuse for) the two minute substitute for actual news on the radio twice an hour. None seem any different from one another to me (except as noted earlier the government radio which is so slanted it's humorous). Regarding 'Trump lies' (see also 'Trump racist') making a breathless list doesn't mean his are more or worse than the usual dreck out of office holders generally. The 'racist' bit is worse, being absolutely unfounded in any way save repetition. Regarding hydrochloroquine, we know much more than a few weeks ago. As you are no doubt aware, any licensed MD can prescribe any FDA approved substance for any purpose. Which makes puzzling that some Governors, suddenly banning a drug on which some of their citizens have relied for many years, from being dispensed. In this case, as I mentioned weeks ago here, HCQ is not a cure. There are antirirals which seem effective and they (and others) are being rigorously evaluated. The nub is that some people react with a devastating cytokine cascade and are urgently at death's door without intervention. It appears HQC, long used for Lupus sufferers, does just that, buying time rather than death by drowning. Sounds good to me and if I could not breathe it would sound even better. The azithromycin companion is for opportunistic infection which (again, you probably know this) is common with reduced lung function (the actual mechanism for many influenza deaths). Testing? Oh the only test allowed needed CDC blessing and it sucked? Sounds familiar! Right. That would be Dr Gallo of CDC and his (royalty!) flawed test for AIDS at the first widespread incidence. In five weeks this President removed those barriers, opened the field to a series of new approaches from American innovators not the lifers at CDC. With two slower more invasive formats already come and gone, now we have the 5-minute Abbott nasal wipe test (CDC was a sinus (ouch!) poke and 4 to seven days). Next iteration will be a saliva test due shortly All in five weeks! Mr Reagan did not get the CDC impediments out of the way as fast or as well for AIDS victims as Mr Trump did here. I could continue but I won't. I think you're confirming my earlier analysis that you just don't like the guy. Which his fine, suit yourself. I don't much like him either. That said, he's the pick of the litter and has done pretty well for a dog. At some point it's affecting your thought processes.'Orange Man Bad' it not enough for a complete ethos. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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