Cyclists injured by handsaw wielding Mike Vandeman

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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All I can say is, "Mike, don't drop the soap."

Just because you would like to be ****ed does not mean everyone would
like to be ****ed.


This is a sublety that has escaped you, Mike's the one in jail, not me.
Whether I wanted to be ****ed in the ass or not, Mike's the one with the
opportunity -- don't drop the soap, Michael.

Sexual allusions are the last refuge of a scoundrel. Leave that sort of
thing to Bill Weir.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message
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Ed, by YOUR OWN STANDARDS, these bike riders were engaged in a
permissible activity! They were riding on a vehicle route, not on a
hiking trail.

I think the above may be the crux of the matter. I strongly suspect that
bicycles were prohibited on that trail. Mountain bikers are notorious for
being scofflaws and criminals.

According to the report -- a booking report, I might add -- the route was
a vehicle route because a FIRE ROAD is intended for vehicles to carry
firemen and equipment (fire trucks) into the fire area. It is a vehicle
route, and therefore not a hiking trail where you assert that bikes should
never be found.

See the video posted on just RBS I believe. I think I saw a sign post on the
trail saying that bicycles were prohibited. If I am wrong, then of course
Mr. Vandeman was out of bounds. But still, I understand his anger and
frustration.

Whether they are scoflaws and criminals is really not the point here.
Michael J. Vandeman sits in jail for criminally assaulting somebody
engaged in an activity that you heretofore have stated is permissible.

Well, I am not in favor of assaulting anyone ever, no matter what. I just
report criminal behavior to the police, a favorite pastime of mine.
[...]

But I like the way Jeff and others leap to judgment. Guilty until proven
innocent!


Dude, I'm just reading the booking report. They don't normally throw the
victim(s) of a violent assault in jail for assaulting the person with the
weapon. Normally the person with the weapon goes to jail on the assault
charge.

You and others are making statements that you think he is guilty of an
assault. You can't go by what is being charged. It is why we have trials by
jury in this country. There is no doubt in my mind that the mountain bikers
are guilty in some measure of bringing about the situation.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 03/06/10 11:41 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:

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According to the report -- a booking report, I might add -- the route was a
vehicle route because a FIRE ROAD is intended for vehicles to carry firemen
and equipment (fire trucks) into the fire area. It is a vehicle route, and
therefore not a hiking trail where you assert that bikes should never be
found.

Yes, it's a fire road, but UC's rule is that only emergency vehicles are
allowed to use it and bicyclists are prohibited. Of course none of that
will have any bearing on the outcome of this case, since ordinary
citizens can't run around attacking people for not obeying the UC's
rules, they need to call the UC police and report the incident. MV would
have been better off with digital camera or camcorder than a weapon.

Personally I would hope that he _not_ be sent to one of California's
gated communities for a long period of time, since paying to keep him
there would be ridiculously expensive. I would hope he gets a heavy
fine, a stint in the county jail, community service, psychological
evaluation and treatment, plus probation and electronic monitoring with
a prohibition of him being on any hiking or biking trails for the next
25 years. Plus he would have to pay restitution to the injured party.

But that may not even be possible if it goes to trial and he's convicted
since judges have very limited leeway in sentencing for violent
felonies. If it's a plea bargain rather than a trial then he could get
off without real prison time. Regardless of the outcome of the criminal
case there's also a high probability of civil suits, so hopefully he's
got insurance, including an umbrella policy, to settle those suits.

"SMS" wrote in message
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On 03/06/10 11:41 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:

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According to the report -- a booking report, I might add -- the route was
a
vehicle route because a FIRE ROAD is intended for vehicles to carry
firemen
and equipment (fire trucks) into the fire area. It is a vehicle route,
and
therefore not a hiking trail where you assert that bikes should never be
found.

Yes, it's a fire road, but UC's rule is that only emergency vehicles are
allowed to use it and bicyclists are prohibited. Of course none of that
will have any bearing on the outcome of this case, since ordinary citizens
can't run around attacking people for not obeying the UC's rules, they
need to call the UC police and report the incident. MV would have been
better off with digital camera or camcorder than a weapon.

Even so, that puts it in a different perspective. The mountain bikers were
violating the rules. It is what Mr. Vandeman and I hate the most - mountain
bikers acting like mountain bikers.

Personally I would hope that he _not_ be sent to one of California's gated
communities for a long period of time, since paying to keep him there
would be ridiculously expensive. I would hope he gets a heavy fine, a
stint in the county jail, community service, psychological evaluation and
treatment, plus probation and electronic monitoring with a prohibition of
him being on any hiking or biking trails for the next 25 years. Plus he
would have to pay restitution to the injured party.

I doubt that there was any injury inflicted on anyone. It was a tempest in a
tea cup and not much should happen to anyone. But it is interesting as hell
how you want something to happen. I guess that is ever the hallmark of the
weak and the defeated.

But that may not even be possible if it goes to trial and he's convicted
since judges have very limited leeway in sentencing for violent felonies.
If it's a plea bargain rather than a trial then he could get off without
real prison time. Regardless of the outcome of the criminal case there's
also a high probability of civil suits, so hopefully he's got insurance,
including an umbrella policy, to settle those suits.

I suspect it was the mountain bikers that provoked the whole thing. They
should have been charged for being in violation of the rules.

Mr. Vandeman will know how to defend himself since he is not an idiot like
all the rest of you.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 03/06/10 1:31 PM, SMS wrote:

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But that may not even be possible if it goes to trial and he's convicted
since judges have very limited leeway in sentencing for violent
felonies. If it's a plea bargain rather than a trial then he could get
off without real prison time. Regardless of the outcome of the criminal
case there's also a high probability of civil suits, so hopefully he's
got insurance, including an umbrella policy, to settle those suits.

I just read that he was only charged with two misdemeanors, vandalism
and assault. So the chance of prison time is nil. Probably just
probation since it's the first time he's been arrested, plus UC will
likely ban him from their land.

On 6/3/2010 1:33 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
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FOR THE RECORD
My ass is an Exit Only.


@2:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJOVlHWgbbA.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"SMS" wrote in message
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On 03/06/10 1:31 PM, SMS wrote:

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But that may not even be possible if it goes to trial and he's convicted
since judges have very limited leeway in sentencing for violent
felonies. If it's a plea bargain rather than a trial then he could get
off without real prison time. Regardless of the outcome of the criminal
case there's also a high probability of civil suits, so hopefully he's
got insurance, including an umbrella policy, to settle those suits.

I just read that he was only charged with two misdemeanors, vandalism and
assault. So the chance of prison time is nil. Probably just probation
since it's the first time he's been arrested, plus UC will likely ban him
from their land.

UC ought to go after the idiot mountain bikers since they are the ones who
are creating the problem in the first instance.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

The above statement is absurd. Mr. Vandeman would not hurt a fly.

He is in Santa Rita jail on $100000 bail for felony assault.

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On Jun 3, 3:56*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

You and others are making statements that you think he is guilty of an
assault. You can't go by what is being charged. It is why we have trials by
jury in this country. There is no doubt in my mind that the mountain bikers
are guilty in some measure of bringing about the situation.

The mountain-bikers are enjoying their freedom while Mike sits in a
county jail. All your blathering isn't going to change that.

On Jun 3, 5:40*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:


I suspect it was the mountain bikers that provoked the whole thing. They
should have been charged for being in violation of the rules.

Suspect all you want, the mountain-bikers are not sitting in a county
jail.

Life is good!