The Shed Thread

On 06/06/2012 22:00, Partac wrote:


"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:50:04 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:18:50 +0100, Bertie Wooster

wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:28:56 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 16:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:11:32 +0100,
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:56:38 +0100, Bertie

wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:44:04 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 07:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:

wrote:

[ ... ]

I only asked what advantage there in drawing a bucket of water
from a
butt as opposed to drawing it from the garden tap (or even
from the
kitchen mixer taps, hotter than body temperature). Neither
seems to be
illegal unless there is a ban on washing cars (which there
isn't).

Assuming the bucket is 10L, and you are on a water meter, one
advantage is 1.2263 pence for the water and another 0.6473
pence for
sewerage. Clare also reckons rainwater (even from a butt) is
better
for plants than treated water.

For those (such as I, and, I fancy, the majority), who do not
have a
water meter, that would be of no particular advantage. And for
those
stuck with meters, the cost-saving is small. It isn't at all
clear what
the price of sewerage has to do with it.

On my last bill I was charged for 80 cubic metres of water and 80
cubic metres of wastewater. Wastewater is not metered, but is
calculated to be the same as water. Using a hosepipe in the garden
produces little wastewater into the drains, but it is still charged.

And if you want to compare costs, the two of us pay about 77p a day
for water and wastewater. Unmetered the cost would be 83p per day,
plus a charge depending on the size of pipe feeding our home and
removing waste, probably taking the cost to about £1.10 per day.



Truly fascinating.

If you and Clare have a **** at work instead of at home - you will
save a
fortune.

We'd probably save more by flushing every stool and every second
urination.

There's a little rhyme I recall from 1976: If it's brown, flush it
down; If it's yellow, let it mellow. I wouldn't want to go to those
extremes, but flushing every second visit, assuming a flush is 8
litres, would save us a penny (0.975p by my calculations) per visit.

So, instead of saying, "I'm off to spend a penny", we should say, "I'm
off to save a penny", and the time we share together would be filled
with even more laughter and merriment.

**** me, life in the fast lane...

The shed is ready for us to dine within:
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/shed/09

On the menu:
Cumberland sausages;
Onion gravy;
Baked potato;
Peas;
Carrots.

Followed by fresh pineapple/

All washed down with Tattinger Champagne and sparkling mineral water.



Come back Mason - all is forgiven.

And with the table laden with food:
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/shed/10


Next step then is to dig a pit in your garage floor, so you can really
have a decent drink down there.

Is "Tattinger Champagne" a decent drink?

Is Cwispin really a teacher?

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 06/06/2012 21:46, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:50:04 +0100,
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:18:50 +0100, Bertie
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:28:56 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 16:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:11:32 +0100,
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:56:38 +0100, Bertie
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:44:04 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 07:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:

wrote:

[ ... ]

I only asked what advantage there in drawing a bucket of water from a
butt as opposed to drawing it from the garden tap (or even from the
kitchen mixer taps, hotter than body temperature). Neither seems to be
illegal unless there is a ban on washing cars (which there isn't).

Assuming the bucket is 10L, and you are on a water meter, one
advantage is 1.2263 pence for the water and another 0.6473 pence for
sewerage. Clare also reckons rainwater (even from a butt) is better
for plants than treated water.

For those (such as I, and, I fancy, the majority), who do not have a
water meter, that would be of no particular advantage. And for those
stuck with meters, the cost-saving is small. It isn't at all clear what
the price of sewerage has to do with it.

On my last bill I was charged for 80 cubic metres of water and 80
cubic metres of wastewater. Wastewater is not metered, but is
calculated to be the same as water. Using a hosepipe in the garden
produces little wastewater into the drains, but it is still charged.

And if you want to compare costs, the two of us pay about 77p a day
for water and wastewater. Unmetered the cost would be 83p per day,
plus a charge depending on the size of pipe feeding our home and
removing waste, probably taking the cost to about £1.10 per day.



Truly fascinating.

If you and Clare have a **** at work instead of at home - you will save a
fortune.

We'd probably save more by flushing every stool and every second
urination.

There's a little rhyme I recall from 1976: If it's brown, flush it
down; If it's yellow, let it mellow. I wouldn't want to go to those
extremes, but flushing every second visit, assuming a flush is 8
litres, would save us a penny (0.975p by my calculations) per visit.

So, instead of saying, "I'm off to spend a penny", we should say, "I'm
off to save a penny", and the time we share together would be filled
with even more laughter and merriment.

**** me, life in the fast lane...

The shed is ready for us to dine within:
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/shed/09

On the menu:
Cumberland sausages;
Onion gravy;
Baked potato;
Peas;
Carrots.

Followed by fresh pineapple/

All washed down with Tattinger Champagne and sparkling mineral water.



Come back Mason - all is forgiven.

And with the table laden with food:
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/shed/10

**** me! It's so heavily laden that it's caused the cladding to slip
out of alignment.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 06/06/2012 21:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:40:10 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 2:

"I charge the same as PoundLand".

"Cheap crap" was the explaination I gave - along with a link
explaining why Poundland was doing so well during the financial
crisis.

In fact the situation is very complex.

Due to the financial crisis there has been a huge shift in wealth. The
economy now favours those in debt, at a cost to savers.

Too true! Grrr!

Shouldn't be bleedin' allowed!

With the Bank
of England base rate at record lows, borrowers never had it so good.
On the other hand, policies like quantitative easing and low interest
rates are robbing savers of their money.

Exactly.

Homeowners, with large mortgages, are doing particularly well with low
interest rates, and they are the people most likely to call on a
handyman to clear their drains, or do the other jobs they don't want
to do themselves.

On 06/06/2012 20:16, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:31:20 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 13:47, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:47:33 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 12:32, thirty-six wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:48 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:11:56 +0100,
wrote:









On 06/06/2012 00:11, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 05/06/2012 22:10, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:40:19 +0100,
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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:36:24 +0100,
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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:52:16 +0300, davethedave
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:35:58 +0100, jnugent wrote:

Does a hosepipe ban prevent one from washing a car using a bucket
(just
like you'd have to with water from a water butt)?

What is banned? Clean cars or hosepipes?

The use of hosepipes domestically. You can quite happily take it to
a man
who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it.

Is the wrong answer.

Care to explain why?
Unless the BBC have got it all wrong, of course:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17615364

Do keep up!

The ban is not a blanket ban on the use of hosepipes. The example I
gave earlier was of the domestic use of a hosepipe attached to a water
butt.

So how did that make the previous poster's comment on taking your car
to a
car wash wrong?

You can take your car to a car wash. However, the assertion was made
that "The use of hosepipes domestically" are banned.

Wriggling like the worm you are again Cwispin.

Mr Nugent stated;
"You can quite happily take it to a man who runs a car washing business
and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

You replied;
"Is the wrong answer".

You ****ed up again pure& simple and now you are wriggling.

Actually, it was not I who wrote: "You can quite happily take it to a
man who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

I only asked what advantage there in drawing a bucket of water from a
butt as opposed to drawing it from the garden tap (or even from the
kitchen mixer taps, hotter than body temperature). Neither seems to be
illegal unless there is a ban on washing cars (which there isn't).

Assuming the bucket is 10L, and you are on a water meter, one
advantage is 1.2263 pence for the water and another 0.6473 pence for
sewerage. Clare also reckons rainwater (even from a butt) is better
for plants than treated water.

Grow some lettuce on rainwater then water with tap water and watch it
wilt. When it eventually picks up, do a taste comparison. It might
help you decide what to stuff down your throat in future.

What's the connection with hosepipe bans?

A hosepipe connected to the mains can water lettuce with treated
water; a hosepipe connected to a water butt can water lettuce with
rainwater. But with the hosepipe ban in place you are not allowed to
water lettuce with a hosepipe connected to mains water.

Perhaps I ought to have been clearer: what's the advantage, with special
reference to a hosepipe ban?

You can still use a hosepipe connected to a water butt when there's a
hosepipe ban in place.

Is there a gravity-using technique (eg, raising the height of the butt
like a water tower), or is some sort of syphoning system necessary?

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:21:22 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 21:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:40:10 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 2:

"I charge the same as PoundLand".

"Cheap crap" was the explaination I gave - along with a link
explaining why Poundland was doing so well during the financial
crisis.

And you made no comment on the fact that I'm the most expensive handyman
in the area - did you?

You conveniently left that bit out of your "explaination". Are you
really a teacher?

So both Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanations" have been shown to be
completely and utterly laughable.

2/10 must try harder.

Can't wait for Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 3:

The class is waiting boy.

Give details of your accounts for the past five years, and I will pass
judgement.

If you're too coy to give figures, express as a percentage of 2000's
gross income and net profit.

On 07/06/2012 07:20, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:21:22 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 21:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:40:10 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 2:

"I charge the same as PoundLand".

"Cheap crap" was the explaination I gave - along with a link
explaining why Poundland was doing so well during the financial
crisis.

And you made no comment on the fact that I'm the most expensive handyman
in the area - did you?

You conveniently left that bit out of your "explaination". Are you
really a teacher?

So both Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanations" have been shown to be
completely and utterly laughable.

2/10 must try harder.

Can't wait for Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 3:

The class is waiting boy.

Give details of your accounts for the past five years, and I will pass
judgement.

If you're too coy to give figures, express as a percentage of 2000's
gross income and net profit.

This has nothing to do with my accounts, don't change the subject & try
to wriggle again.

The question remains unanswered; are you are able to explain how I have
not only survived, but prospered during the worst recession in living
memory, or how I have retained my Trading Standards accreditation?



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:03:52 +0100, jnugent
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 21:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:40:10 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 2:

"I charge the same as PoundLand".

"Cheap crap" was the explaination I gave - along with a link
explaining why Poundland was doing so well during the financial
crisis.

In fact the situation is very complex.

Due to the financial crisis there has been a huge shift in wealth. The
economy now favours those in debt, at a cost to savers.

Too true! Grrr!

Shouldn't be bleedin' allowed!

With the Bank
of England base rate at record lows, borrowers never had it so good.
On the other hand, policies like quantitative easing and low interest
rates are robbing savers of their money.

Exactly.

I've countered this robbery by going into buy-to-let. With a 40%
deposit I borrowed at 2.99% (plus fees), and make a yield of 10 - 15%.

E.g. I bought a £180,000 2 bedroom flat with a £72,000 deposit. My
rental income is £1,100 per month and mortgage repayments £269.10.
That gives me £9,970.80 per year, a yield of over 13%. I still have to
pay service charges, agency fees, the one off £999 mortgage fee and
income tax, but even taking those into account my net yield is over
8%.

The 2.99% buy-to-let mortgages are no longer available, but good
profit can still be made at the 3.89% (lifetime 3.39% above base rate)
currently on offer if you have a 40% deposit.

Homeowners, with large mortgages, are doing particularly well with low
interest rates, and they are the people most likely to call on a
handyman to clear their drains, or do the other jobs they don't want
to do themselves.

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:31:36 +0100, jnugent
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 20:16, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:31:20 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 13:47, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:47:33 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 12:32, thirty-six wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:48 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:11:56 +0100,
wrote:









On 06/06/2012 00:11, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 05/06/2012 22:10, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:40:19 +0100,
wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:36:24 +0100,
wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:52:16 +0300, davethedave
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:35:58 +0100, jnugent wrote:

Does a hosepipe ban prevent one from washing a car using a bucket
(just
like you'd have to with water from a water butt)?

What is banned? Clean cars or hosepipes?

The use of hosepipes domestically. You can quite happily take it to
a man
who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it.

Is the wrong answer.

Care to explain why?
Unless the BBC have got it all wrong, of course:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17615364

Do keep up!

The ban is not a blanket ban on the use of hosepipes. The example I
gave earlier was of the domestic use of a hosepipe attached to a water
butt.

So how did that make the previous poster's comment on taking your car
to a
car wash wrong?

You can take your car to a car wash. However, the assertion was made
that "The use of hosepipes domestically" are banned.

Wriggling like the worm you are again Cwispin.

Mr Nugent stated;
"You can quite happily take it to a man who runs a car washing business
and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

You replied;
"Is the wrong answer".

You ****ed up again pure& simple and now you are wriggling.

Actually, it was not I who wrote: "You can quite happily take it to a
man who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

I only asked what advantage there in drawing a bucket of water from a
butt as opposed to drawing it from the garden tap (or even from the
kitchen mixer taps, hotter than body temperature). Neither seems to be
illegal unless there is a ban on washing cars (which there isn't).

Assuming the bucket is 10L, and you are on a water meter, one
advantage is 1.2263 pence for the water and another 0.6473 pence for
sewerage. Clare also reckons rainwater (even from a butt) is better
for plants than treated water.

Grow some lettuce on rainwater then water with tap water and watch it
wilt. When it eventually picks up, do a taste comparison. It might
help you decide what to stuff down your throat in future.

What's the connection with hosepipe bans?

A hosepipe connected to the mains can water lettuce with treated
water; a hosepipe connected to a water butt can water lettuce with
rainwater. But with the hosepipe ban in place you are not allowed to
water lettuce with a hosepipe connected to mains water.

Perhaps I ought to have been clearer: what's the advantage, with special
reference to a hosepipe ban?

You can still use a hosepipe connected to a water butt when there's a
hosepipe ban in place.

Is there a gravity-using technique (eg, raising the height of the butt
like a water tower), or is some sort of syphoning system necessary?

I raise the butt as high as is safe.

In this photo you can see the butt is on a stand which is on a
concrete shelf so that the tap is about 18" above patio level
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co.../shed/butt.jpg
When full the water level in the butt will be about 4' above patio
level and so water will come out of a hose which is below that level.
My lawn is about 3" below patio level, and the flower beds are about
1' above patio level. Pressure can be increased with the use of an
electric pump, but unless that is powered from a battery charged from
solar pannels on the shed roof, the cost benefit of using rainwater
over mains water is lost.

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:37:50 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 07/06/2012 07:20, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:21:22 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 21:52, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:40:10 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 2:

"I charge the same as PoundLand".

"Cheap crap" was the explaination I gave - along with a link
explaining why Poundland was doing so well during the financial
crisis.

And you made no comment on the fact that I'm the most expensive handyman
in the area - did you?

You conveniently left that bit out of your "explaination". Are you
really a teacher?

So both Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanations" have been shown to be
completely and utterly laughable.

2/10 must try harder.

Can't wait for Wriggling Cwipsins "good explanation" 3:

The class is waiting boy.

Give details of your accounts for the past five years, and I will pass
judgement.

If you're too coy to give figures, express as a percentage of 2000's
gross income and net profit.

This has nothing to do with my accounts, don't change the subject & try
to wriggle again.

The question remains unanswered; are you are able to explain how I have
not only survived, but prospered during the worst recession in living
memory, or how I have retained my Trading Standards accreditation?

We onlt have your word on this (and we all know how crass your word
is). Now put up, or shut up (preferably shut up).

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:05:47 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:31:36 +0100, jnugent
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 20:16, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:31:20 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 13:47, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:47:33 +0100,
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 12:32, thirty-six wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:48 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:11:56 +0100,
wrote:









On 06/06/2012 00:11, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 05/06/2012 22:10, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:40:19 +0100,
wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:36:24 +0100,
wrote:

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:52:16 +0300, davethedave
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:35:58 +0100, jnugent wrote:

Does a hosepipe ban prevent one from washing a car using a bucket
(just
like you'd have to with water from a water butt)?

What is banned? Clean cars or hosepipes?

The use of hosepipes domestically. You can quite happily take it to
a man
who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it.

Is the wrong answer.

Care to explain why?
Unless the BBC have got it all wrong, of course:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17615364

Do keep up!

The ban is not a blanket ban on the use of hosepipes. The example I
gave earlier was of the domestic use of a hosepipe attached to a water
butt.

So how did that make the previous poster's comment on taking your car
to a
car wash wrong?

You can take your car to a car wash. However, the assertion was made
that "The use of hosepipes domestically" are banned.

Wriggling like the worm you are again Cwispin.

Mr Nugent stated;
"You can quite happily take it to a man who runs a car washing business
and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

You replied;
"Is the wrong answer".

You ****ed up again pure& simple and now you are wriggling.

Actually, it was not I who wrote: "You can quite happily take it to a
man who runs a car washing business and pay him to use a hosepipe on it".

I only asked what advantage there in drawing a bucket of water from a
butt as opposed to drawing it from the garden tap (or even from the
kitchen mixer taps, hotter than body temperature). Neither seems to be
illegal unless there is a ban on washing cars (which there isn't).

Assuming the bucket is 10L, and you are on a water meter, one
advantage is 1.2263 pence for the water and another 0.6473 pence for
sewerage. Clare also reckons rainwater (even from a butt) is better
for plants than treated water.

Grow some lettuce on rainwater then water with tap water and watch it
wilt. When it eventually picks up, do a taste comparison. It might
help you decide what to stuff down your throat in future.

What's the connection with hosepipe bans?

A hosepipe connected to the mains can water lettuce with treated
water; a hosepipe connected to a water butt can water lettuce with
rainwater. But with the hosepipe ban in place you are not allowed to
water lettuce with a hosepipe connected to mains water.

Perhaps I ought to have been clearer: what's the advantage, with special
reference to a hosepipe ban?

You can still use a hosepipe connected to a water butt when there's a
hosepipe ban in place.

Is there a gravity-using technique (eg, raising the height of the butt
like a water tower), or is some sort of syphoning system necessary?

I raise the butt as high as is safe.

In this photo you can see the butt is on a stand which is on a
concrete shelf so that the tap is about 18" above patio level
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co.../shed/butt.jpg
When full the water level in the butt will be about 4' above patio
level and so water will come out of a hose which is below that level.
My lawn is about 3" below patio level, and the flower beds are about
1' above patio level. Pressure can be increased with the use of an
electric pump, but unless that is powered from a battery charged from
solar pannels on the shed roof, the cost benefit of using rainwater
over mains water is lost.


Indeed - every little helps.