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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 2018-09-13 16:41, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:29:41 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Are you sure that it is the bike rack that is at fault? After all, it might be that your bike is too long. Or perhaps that is too subtle for you? I am 6'2" and the bike frame was ordered to fit me after they had measured me. The frame nothing unusual, just a road bike for a tall but not extremely tall guy. So yes, it is the rack designer's fault. Occasionally even car manufacturers make such mistakes. For example, I wanted to buy a Jeep Chrokee in 1997. It had fixed (non-adjustable) head rests and the top of them was exactly at my neck. Not safe. So I did not buy. Mitsubishi knew how to design it correctly so that's what I bought. According to a Jeep specialist I was not the first one ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Hey, don't use my name in vain. I didn't say the racks would work for you. Nothing works for you. I said you complain a lot about supposed bad government and do nothing about it. You are probably complaining about the SportWorks DL2/3 which even for the closed-end models is sufficient for bikes with wheelbases up to 44 inches. 44" wheelbase is long. A 62cm Surly Steamroller has a 39.7" wheelbase. I don't know why that rack doesn't work for your bike. They work for odd shaped bikes around he http://farm1.staticflickr.com/93/248...3cdf194b2f.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rying_bike.jpg Bikes everywhere! https://ilovethebus.files.wordpress....n-portland.jpg I guess its time to call Kurtis Ming! There is also this mode of transportation: https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons...ahmbulance.jpg -- Jay Beattie. |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 9/13/2018 7:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. So what is the wheelbase of your road bike? And what's the wheel size? I'm curious how you always seem to end up on a remote tail of every bell curve. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 2018-09-13 18:03, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Hey, don't use my name in vain. IIRC you raised doubts in another thread about it and wrote that you are 6'4", which is taller than I am. ... I didn't say the racks would work for you. Nothing works for you. As I wrote the open channel slot in the rack worked and that's how the all should be designed. ... I said you complain a lot about supposed bad government and do nothing about it. Which is not true. I wrote that I am in contact about the matter with the planning and marketing manager of our transit agency. You are probably complaining about the SportWorks DL2/3 which even for the closed-end models is sufficient for bikes with wheelbases up to 44 inches. 44" wheelbase is long. It's not. A large (L, not even XL) 29" MTB like mine is about 46" axle to axle. This is the 21st century, not the 20th. ... A 62cm Surly Steamroller has a 39.7" wheelbase. I don't know why that rack doesn't work for your bike. It's probably a different (and mis-designed) rack because that's about the axle distance of my road bike and it did not fit in. ... They work for odd shaped bikes around he http://farm1.staticflickr.com/93/248...3cdf194b2f.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rying_bike.jpg My road bike measures 39-1/2" axle to axle. That is not outlandishly large and should fit. But it did not. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 2018-09-13 21:30, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/13/2018 7:29 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. So what is the wheelbase of your road bike? And what's the wheel size? 39-1/2", regular 700c wheels and 25mm tires. I'm curious how you always seem to end up on a remote tail of every bell curve. Obviously they can design something correctly, in this case the 1st slot which would also easily hold my MTB. The other two slots were designed wrong, as were both slots on their 2-slot racks. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-13 18:03, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Hey, don't use my name in vain. IIRC you raised doubts in another thread about it and wrote that you are 6'4", which is taller than I am. I've never used a bus bike rack because I ride everywhere and do not need to have my bike hauled on welfare-based mass-transit created by nanny government. Buses are for loser proles who are sucking off the public teat and not for real men like myself who live in the wilds of Oregon. But now that we're going on about bike bus racks, I'll go to the practice spot and see if my bike fits. I'm assuming Sacramento is using a standard SportWorks model, which is basically the national standard rack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQ6ZHKvNgI That Trek has a 41.7 WB. Go to :33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETtnX_KScI8 A Volpe with fat tires. Maybe Sacto is screwing with you and sending you buses with the super-short racks. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 2018-09-14 10:36, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-09-13 18:03, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Hey, don't use my name in vain. IIRC you raised doubts in another thread about it and wrote that you are 6'4", which is taller than I am. I've never used a bus bike rack because I ride everywhere and do not need to have my bike hauled on welfare-based mass-transit created by nanny government. Buses are for loser proles who are sucking off the public teat and not for real men like myself who live in the wilds of Oregon. Public transport can greatly increase the riding range. For example, I could not finish a ride in time if I'd go all the way into Sacramento and back. If I use light rail for some of the way back I can. And there's a beer garden that has Kloster Andechs brews plus freshly baked pretzels with Obatzda. But now that we're going on about bike bus racks, I'll go to the practice spot and see if my bike fits. I'm assuming Sacramento is using a standard SportWorks model, which is basically the national standard rack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avQ6ZHKvNgI That Trek has a 41.7 WB. Go to :33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETtnX_KScI8 A Volpe with fat tires. Those aren't very fat tires. Also, look more closely and you'll see that this bike already starts riding up at the ends. It does not sit firmly on the bottom of the rail. That can make for an interesting scenario if the bus has to suddenly swerve to avoid something (I always strap mine down but never saw anyone else do that). My MTB was almost all the way out of the slot with one wheel. My MTB tires are 2.2" wire and they barely squeezed in. Most guys around here ride on 2.3" or 2.4" tires which wouldn't fit. Newer 27-1/2" bikes with 3" tires? Forget it. At 0:50min they show a rack that's almost correctly designed. This is a correctly designed rack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y56n-JPGJ6Q ... Maybe Sacto is screwing with you and sending you buses with the super-short racks. It is El Dorado Transit. They have different racks, some semi-ok, some don't work. The best is what I once saw in Europe. They simply hung a bike trailer to the bus which could easily hold a dozen bicycles. That greatly reduces the chance of being left stranded because the rack is already full. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 9/14/2018 12:26 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-13 18:03, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:29:35 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-24 07:35, Joerg wrote: Couldn't believe it. Those great agency folks obviously didn't test the bike racks for our local buses before signing the contract. Long story short my 29er bike didn't fit in and neither did my friend's. Luckily the driver was patient and helpful. We had to load the bikes reversed so the hook goes over the rear wheel. Not easy because of my panniers but worked, somehow. The front wheels now rode up on the other side of the rack slot. We both had bungee cords with which we strapped them down as hard as we could. Oh, and the slot width barely fit my 2.25" wide MTB tires barely squeezed in and I had to push down hard. The rack looks like this: https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/sho...8df2678ec2064b When we arrived another rider put his 26" MTB on there on even that barely fit in (rear wheel rode up half an inch). Does anyone know a better "strap down" method that is faster than wrapping a bungee around rim and rack numerous times? Today I did a road bike trip where I also used the bus. The bus had a 3-slot rack but only the innermost slot was designed correctly with one end open. The two outer slots were the same as before, bad design, too short. I know that Jay and Sir won't believe this but I tried and verified it: My road bike did _not_ go into those outer slots. Luckily the inner slot was free. Hey, don't use my name in vain. IIRC you raised doubts in another thread about it and wrote that you are 6'4", which is taller than I am. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... I didn't say the racks would work for you. Nothing works for you. As I wrote the open channel slot in the rack worked and that's how the all should be designed. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â* ... I said you complain a lot about supposed bad government and do nothing about it. Which is not true. I wrote that I am in contact about the matter with the planning and marketing manager of our transit agency. You are probably complaining about the SportWorks DL2/3 which even for the closed-end models is sufficient for bikes with wheelbases up to 44 inches. 44" wheelbase is long. It's not. A large (L, not even XL) 29" MTB like mine is about 46" axle to axle. This is the 21st century, not the 20th. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... A 62cm Surly Steamroller has a 39.7" wheelbase. I don't know why that rack doesn't work for your bike. It's probably a different (and mis-designed) rack because that's about the axle distance of my road bike and it did not fit in. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ... They work for odd shaped bikes around he http://farm1.staticflickr.com/93/248...3cdf194b2f.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rying_bike.jpg My road bike measures 39-1/2" axle to axle. That is not outlandishly large and should fit. But it did not. This sounds more and more like an operator problem. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Bus bike rack too short, how to strap in a bike quickly? [update]
On 2018-09-14 12:28, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:26 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-09-13 18:03, jbeattie wrote: [...] ... They work for odd shaped bikes around he http://farm1.staticflickr.com/93/248...3cdf194b2f.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rying_bike.jpg My road bike measures 39-1/2" axle to axle. That is not outlandishly large and should fit. But it did not. This sounds more and more like an operator problem. If the bike doesn't go in then it doesn't go in. It's that simple. At the first time the bus driver (himself a cyclist) came out and tried, then scratching his head what we could do. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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