Bicycle Accident

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.
--
Cheers

John B.

On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.

--
JS

On 2018-10-29 12:38, James wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.


Wait until we have the first cyclists run over by driverless cars. Like
what happened to a woman in AZ who was pushing her bicycle.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:10:08 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-10-29 12:38, James wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.


Wait until we have the first cyclists run over by driverless cars. Like
what happened to a woman in AZ who was pushing her bicycle.

Perhaps the U.S. could pass a new law, similar to one that was enacted
in Pennsylvania in 1896, when legislators unanimously passed a bill
through both houses of the state legislature which would require all
motorists piloting their "horseless carriages", upon chance encounters
with cattle or livestock to
(1) immediately stop the vehicle,
(2) "immediately and as rapidly as possible ... disassemble the
automobile", and
(3) "conceal the various components out of sight, behind nearby
bushes" until equestrian or livestock is sufficiently pacified.
--
Cheers

John B.

On 10/29/2018 7:49 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:10:08 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-10-29 12:38, James wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.


Wait until we have the first cyclists run over by driverless cars. Like
what happened to a woman in AZ who was pushing her bicycle.

Perhaps the U.S. could pass a new law, similar to one that was enacted
in Pennsylvania in 1896, when legislators unanimously passed a bill
through both houses of the state legislature which would require all
motorists piloting their "horseless carriages", upon chance encounters
with cattle or livestock to
(1) immediately stop the vehicle,
(2) "immediately and as rapidly as possible ... disassemble the
automobile", and
(3) "conceal the various components out of sight, behind nearby
bushes" until equestrian or livestock is sufficiently pacified.

When my wife, daughter and I did our coast-to-coast ride, we were on a
gravel road in North Dakota when a woman driving a pickup truck stopped
us. She explained that another pair of touring cyclists just ahead of us
had spooked her cattle so badly they stampeded right through a barbed
wire fence and up the road.

Her family was herding the cows back down the gravel road, opposite the
direction we were riding. She asked us to please hide ourselves behind
some huge hay rolls in the adjacent pasture until they had passed by.

So we took a snack break there, and after a while got to watch cowboys
on horses plus another pickup truck move the herd.

At least we didn't have to disassemble our bikes. :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:39:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:


When my wife, daughter and I did our coast-to-coast ride, we were on a
gravel road in North Dakota when a woman driving a pickup truck stopped
us. She explained that another pair of touring cyclists just ahead of us
had spooked her cattle so badly they stampeded right through a barbed
wire fence and up the road.

Her family was herding the cows back down the gravel road, opposite the
direction we were riding. She asked us to please hide ourselves behind
some huge hay rolls in the adjacent pasture until they had passed by.

So we took a snack break there, and after a while got to watch cowboys
on horses plus another pickup truck move the herd.

Wimpy cattle?
I've had to shepherd a touring group past a mob of cattle in a roadside
paddock as the cows came over to see what was going on. Don't ask what
happens when you encounter them on a track.

Riding past a droving mob can be interesting, but you usually wondering
if it wasn't wiser to have fitted mudguards for this trip.

On 30/10/18 11:39 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:


When my wife, daughter and I did our coast-to-coast ride, we were on a
gravel road in North Dakota when a woman driving a pickup truck stopped
us. She explained that another pair of touring cyclists just ahead of us
had spooked her cattle so badly they stampeded right through a barbed
wire fence and up the road.

Her family was herding the cows back down the gravel road, opposite the
direction we were riding. She asked us to please hide ourselves behind
some huge hay rolls in the adjacent pasture until they had passed by.

So we took a snack break there, and after a while got to watch cowboys
on horses plus another pickup truck move the herd.

At least we didn't have to disassemble our bikes.Â* :-)


Yes, I've been asked to wait for cattle being driven along the road
reserve. Some horses are particularly skittish around bicycles too.

--
JS

I used to frighten the cows when I walked around on Maui, because they
had never seen a pedestrian before. But they just walked away from
the fence; they weren't spooked.

I did play a dirty trick on a herd of cows once.

I'd ridden to Claypool, just to prove that I could. I didn't like the
bar-like atmosphere of the only eating place in town, but thought I'd
go in, order a sandwich to go, and eat it in the graveyard. But first
I'd ride up to the state road to see whether anyone catered to the
passing traffic.

I learned later that downtown Claypool is quite convenient to the
tracks, and railroad people are the only ones who want to eat in
Claypool when they are just passing through.

No businesses at the junction, but the paved shoulder was nice and
wide; why not go home by 15 and stop somewhere to eat the emergency
food bars in my pannier?

When I reached the spot that was just out of sight from the junction,
I realized that that wasn't a shoulder, it was a blending lane for
trucks coming out of the diesel-oil plant on the other side of the
bridge. Much, much later I was fooling around with Google Maps and
learned that it would have been much better to turn south and take the
first road past the bridge.

15 is not a nice road anywhere for anybody. I took the first county
road I crossed and started looking around for a place to eat. Just
after I passed a pasture, I came to a place where somebody had been in
the habit of pulling a heavy vehicle into a wheat field and backing
out again. Ah, here I can get off the road without squashing any
crops!

I sat down to eat and the cattle started drifting toward the fence. I
started to feel a little self-conscious when they were all lined up
along the fence watching me eat. Not until a few minutes later, when
they started to moo exactly the way Al meows at nine o'clock, did I
understand who had been parking in the wheat field and what had been
in the truck.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 1:10:12 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-10-29 12:38, James wrote:
On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.


Wait until we have the first cyclists run over by driverless cars. Like
what happened to a woman in AZ who was pushing her bicycle.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I was involved in a very heavy argument about self driving cars. I have a strong idea that it was Musk that was the op. Shortly after I made my point Tesla changed the name of their system from "Self Driving" to "Navigation device" and required you to have both hands on the wheel whenever it was engaged. The technical problems of a self-driving car on normal streets is far too great to go into now. Most of the self driving cars presently under development by Google will probably bankrupt them if they actually put these into production for the average citizen or more likely - for delivery services.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:38:42 +1100, James
wrote:

On 29/10/18 11:47 am, John B. Slocomb wrote:

This past week the news here has reported the death of a Philippine
bicyclist who was in Thailand participating in a 1,000 km Audax.

About 01:30 on Tuesday, the 24th, Russel Perez, 55, from the
Philippines, was struck by a van that run a red light and died, after
having completed approximately 950 km of the 1,000 km. ride.

Naughty van.


On 25 Nov police reported that a damaged van, a white Toyota, was
found at a garage in Min Buri district in Bangkok. It was taken to the
police station for forensic and fingerprint testing. The police said
a man drove the van to the garage on Wednesday morning for repairs
saying that the vehicle hit a cow.

On 26 Nov.Police arrested a 29-year-old van driver who ran a red light
and fatally hit a 55-year-old Philippine cyclist joining a
long-distance event early Tuesday morning. He was charged with,
reckless driving causing death and damage, failing to help his victim,
failure to inform an official of the incident, running a red light and
using drugs.

Ah. I see the van had a driver.

The media usually word these stories as though the motor vehicle did
something it shouldn't. It is a common problem. No mention of the
driver having lost control, or not paying attention, or being
distracted, etc., except maybe sometimes as a footnote.

The language used in motor vehicle crash stories is usually very
different from bicycle crash stories, where it is usually the rider that
is noted to have done something - not the bicycle.

I suppose that at least some of the wording was a result of people
initially seeing what happened. i.e., people saw a van hit a bicycle
but they couldn't see whether it was driven by a man, woman or an evil
spirit.


--
Cheers

John B.