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Road pedals?
anonymous snipes
Only one answer for road riding... Time pedals with Carnac shoes... We have to realize something... if u are into seroiuos road riding spd and sidis arent enough... no shoes compare to a nice pair of Carnacs ever,, not even the best sidi or shimano shoe... maybe time shoes... but usually sidis and shimano's are quite uncomfortable compared with Carnac shoes. Now... if u guys want the shoes for walking more than for riding... get a pair of crappy mb sidis and a pair of spd pedals and problem solved! Can you explain why these are superior to other step-in pedals and why Carnac shoes are better than others. My experience with Shimano TO-92 recessed cleat shoes is that they are easy to engage, have cleats that give varying amounts of "float" and can be worn indoors without the hazard of leaving marks on the floor. You also do not need to learn how to walk on your heels. For riders who are afraid to get near anything that hints of MTB use, there are even one sided SPD pedals that are miniatures of other cleated pedals. I sense you have a personal problem with Shimano. Can you explain? Maybe that's why you snipe from cover of anonymity. Jobst Brandt |
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Road pedals?
HI again... u dont have to be so aggressive hehe
I dont have a personal problem with shimano at all hehe... but at "least for me" (in my oppinion) the most comfortable shoe is made by carnac, Shimanos arent bad shoes at all, but arent so comfortable (again... for me at least).. Well.. as i said before all depends of what do u want to do with the shoes... for walking and riding like a messenger man.. shimanos are nice even the sidis are nice... but u cant do that with a pair of carnacs, looks and others u know... because the shoe is too stiff, second it was developed for racing or riding a bike not for going to the supermarket with them u know... I think the reasons about how some brands are being positionated in the US market is simply a thing of Marketing and the cyclist pocket... for example if u have to walk and ride a bike at the same time the whole freaking day and u have to buy at least 3 pairs of shoes per year what would u get? always a 100 bucks shoe or ull get a $250+ shoe? (i think i make (made) a point here). Many cyclist who got to the sport being adults will get the stuff they have in the stores and what is the most simple to use at the same time... what do u have in the stores nowaday? shimanos, sidis, perfomance and other brands...because their prices are good... for example my wife woultnd spent 300 bucks in a pair of carnacs or time because its too much money, so she got a nice pair of sidis, and how she got into the sport a few months ago guess what... she wont notice the difference between a good and a bad shoe for cycling because she doesnt have the experience, nor the desire to spend such high ammout of money. The other factor is that many people maybe as u has to walk to buy something or whatever, right? so then u just select the stuff u need... the right pair of shoes and the right pair of pedals, all depends on what do u need or what do espect from the product. I did racing like for 15 years, I started when i was 13 years old, I won a panamerican championship (track race per points) when i was Junior (17 y/o) back then representing to my country, Ive seen the evolution on components since the mid 80's untill now.. and in shoes for example... I tried those new sidis.. let me remember the model... Sidi Genius 5, well that shoe is quite expensive but it feels like a sidi shoe... no more no less, I dont know if anybody here remember when sidi came out with yellow straps and velcro?.. hope u guy do.. well i used one of those back then... and the sidi genious 5 feels the same.. 20 years later sidi is still doing the same shoe. Now I want to come back to one point... all depends of the cyclist and your level.. for example... my feets are a little bit wide not so wide but just a little bit.. so sidis and shimanos arent comfortable for me... usually and as a tip for everybody, FRENCH SHOE IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER than italian shoes...so if u guys have a big pair of dogs get a french made shoe. Again.. check your pocket and see exactly what do u want from a shoe and pedal. In my case im an old skooler cyclist so I want the shoe for riding and comfort for 3 hours a least, i dont want the shoe for WALKING each 20 minutes, i think many people have the idea now. I want to remark this... I remember years ago when Look came out with their pedals, those white ones.. they look pretty cool but the problem is that they were not able to hold the power of a an sprinter so the feets usually were getting loose (very dangerous) out of the pedal or u had problems with the knees (some pain), I used those things for 2 weeks... I came back to my old campy super record pedals with straps.. well Time came out.. and OH MY GOD, what a change!... awesome pedal (still have them), the shoe was even better than other brands I used to use, like adidas, diadora, duegi and others. I must confess that i havent try spd pedals ever... Im not saying they are bad ok?.. it is a great product, u can cleat those things in any position, many shoes are built stardar for it, u can walk with that kind of cleat (as u say u use a recess cleat blah blah).. is a cool product... but i havent use them YET ok?... someday i'll use them. U ask why carnacs in my oppinion are better than others? well as i said before,,, i'd tryed different shoes and the carnac are like a glove... it is soft inside, is very very very stiff even u can make the shoe even stuffer changing something in the sole, u can put any kind of cleat to it... it comes in cool colors.. not a hot shoe either (time is similar).. but the problem ull have is if u have to walk with them... is a shoe for ROAD RACING... not for walking inside of your house or stopping to get water each 20 minutes or stopping to go peeing u know... thats the point u cant compare one thing with another one... for example lance armstrong was using shimano shoes.. I bet my ass that those shoes arent even similars to the ones u can find in the stores... I bet they built those shoes a lot more stiff than the ones u can get at the stores... and i bet that the interior is very soft, just like a glove... u have to think stuff like that too u know. The stuff i espect from a good cycling shoe are these ones... stiff, comfortable, cool colors... soft in the inside... and i want the shoes for riding not for going to visit my aunt who lives 20 minuted from here and then asked her for a cup of iced tea so i have to walk around her house for other 20 minutes... basically and i dont want to sound bad or agressive but take your time one day and go to the store and try a pair of carnacs... ull notice what im talking about right away.. are just like a glove (for me ok?) if u dont like them or if its not the right shoe u need because are too stiff or maybe u have to learn how to walk with them,,,,great too hehehe.. its your choice To finish.. two things... i apologize for my crappy english but i'm doing my best ok?... and second.. "Jobst" i recognize your points but all depends of what do u want and which is your experience, skills, money, age, and other factors... so if it works for u.. doesnt mean u r wrong... is simply that maybe im not especting the same than u of a product. And the market now a days go to regular people like the fat guy who learned to ride a bike 3 weeks ago and think he is an expert... so stores are pointing to that market... experienced ciclyst like you and me we have to go the to web or do special orders because the **** we want is too expensive or too weird to have it on a regular store such as performance for example. Thanks old skooler cyclist... pd: if u want to talk about tubulars and clinchers we can talk about that too hehehe... long life to tubulars! hehe wrote in news:PoqWe.13843$p%3.59783 @typhoon.sonic.net: anonymous snipes Only one answer for road riding... Time pedals with Carnac shoes... We have to realize something... if u are into seroiuos road riding spd and sidis arent enough... no shoes compare to a nice pair of Carnacs ever,, not even the best sidi or shimano shoe... maybe time shoes... but usually sidis and shimano's are quite uncomfortable compared with Carnac shoes. Now... if u guys want the shoes for walking more than for riding... get a pair of crappy mb sidis and a pair of spd pedals and problem solved! Can you explain why these are superior to other step-in pedals and why Carnac shoes are better than others. My experience with Shimano TO-92 recessed cleat shoes is that they are easy to engage, have cleats that give varying amounts of "float" and can be worn indoors without the hazard of leaving marks on the floor. You also do not need to learn how to walk on your heels. For riders who are afraid to get near anything that hints of MTB use, there are even one sided SPD pedals that are miniatures of other cleated pedals. I sense you have a personal problem with Shimano. Can you explain? Maybe that's why you snipe from cover of anonymity. Jobst Brandt |
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