A Cycling & bikes forum. CycleBanter.com

Go Back   Home » CycleBanter.com forum » rec.bicycles » Techniques
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Wake up & smell the coffee



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old January 1st 20, 05:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tim McNamara
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 6,945
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:55:48 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted...


Would that this were so.
Ads
  #12  
Old January 1st 20, 03:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ted Heise
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 136
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:55:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.


I can be as dimitted as the best of 'em. Back in 2000, Ride the
Rockies started in Trinidad. My dad lived there, so he picked me
up at the Denver aiport and drove me down to his place. He had an
old trunk mount rack, and I didn't realize until we arrived that
my wheel was in the line of fire--made obvious by a melted tire!

Duh.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
  #13  
Old January 1st 20, 05:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 13,447
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote:
On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/


Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.


Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the
exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical
reaction to the exhaust?

(I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot
unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe
- and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the
pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks).

Mark J.


We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #14  
Old January 1st 20, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,270
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote:
On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/


Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.


Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the
exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical
reaction to the exhaust?

(I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot
unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe
- and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the
pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks).

Mark J.


We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Would putting an extension onto the exhaust pipe stop that?

Cheers and happy new year
  #15  
Old January 1st 20, 07:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,231
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball.

I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year!

-- Jay Beattie.


Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc.


Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for.

-- Jay Beattie.


There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different?
  #16  
Old January 1st 20, 08:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 13,447
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On 1/1/2020 11:41 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote:
On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/


Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.

Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the
exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical
reaction to the exhaust?

(I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot
unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe
- and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the
pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks).

Mark J.


We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks.


Would putting an extension onto the exhaust pipe stop that?

Cheers and happy new year


Sure but moving the bike up is simpler.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #17  
Old January 1st 20, 09:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,870
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball.

I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year!

-- Jay Beattie.

Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc.


Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for..

-- Jay Beattie.


There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different?


Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #18  
Old January 1st 20, 10:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 884
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:43:00 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball.

I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year!

-- Jay Beattie.

Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc.

Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for.

-- Jay Beattie.


There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different?


Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties.

-- Jay Beattie.


Why do you suppose that Enve is offering a $900 trade-in value on their wheels to get new ones that don't have the same cross section depth?
  #19  
Old January 1st 20, 11:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,870
Default Wake up & smell the coffee

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:43:00 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
or your burning wheels maybe

https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/

Although you might not expect your average human to be so
dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been
around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball.

I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year!

-- Jay Beattie.

Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc.

Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for.

-- Jay Beattie.

There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different?


Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties.

-- Jay Beattie.


Why do you suppose that Enve is offering a $900 trade-in value on their wheels to get new ones that don't have the same cross section depth?


It's a common trade-in program to generate sales. Enve is also paying $600 for non-Enve wheels. Quite a deal. I got a trade in deal on my broken Cannondale frame, and Trek has a trade-in/trade-up policy, too, to keep you with the brand as you cycle through kids' bikes.

-- Jay Beattie.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wake Me When The Tour Starts [email protected] Racing 1 June 7th 13 06:29 AM
Time for T-Mobile to wake-up ? Keith Racing 0 July 22nd 06 06:34 PM
wake up call Mick Australia 19 July 9th 06 09:33 AM
Wake me up... Kenny Racing 4 January 11th 06 10:30 PM
Wake up Tom, here's your 3rd message! yourbuddy Racing 1 December 20th 05 04:18 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 CycleBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.