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Wake up & smell the coffee
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:55:48 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted... Would that this were so. |
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Wake up & smell the coffee
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 14:55:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. I can be as dimitted as the best of 'em. Back in 2000, Ride the Rockies started in Trinidad. My dad lived there, so he picked me up at the Denver aiport and drove me down to his place. He had an old trunk mount rack, and I didn't realize until we arrived that my wheel was in the line of fire--made obvious by a melted tire! Duh. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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Wake up & smell the coffee
On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote:
On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical reaction to the exhaust? (I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe - and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks). Mark J. We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote: On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical reaction to the exhaust? (I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe - and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks). Mark J. We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Would putting an extension onto the exhaust pipe stop that? Cheers and happy new year |
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On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball. I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year! -- Jay Beattie. Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc. Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for. -- Jay Beattie. There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different? |
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On 1/1/2020 11:41 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:28:36 UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 12/31/2019 6:19 PM, Mark J. wrote: On 12/31/2019 12:55 PM, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. Huh! Does anyone know, is it supposed to be just the exhaust temperature that causes this, or some chemical reaction to the exhaust? (I wouldn't have thought exhaust could get a rim that hot unless the rim was within a very few inches of the tailpipe - and I assume hitch racks don't hold rims that close to the pipe - but then, I don't use hitch racks). Mark J. We still see tires charred by exhaust on bike racks. Would putting an extension onto the exhaust pipe stop that? Cheers and happy new year Sure but moving the bike up is simpler. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball. I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year! -- Jay Beattie. Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc. Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for.. -- Jay Beattie. There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different? Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:43:00 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball. I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year! -- Jay Beattie. Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc. Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for. -- Jay Beattie. There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different? Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties. -- Jay Beattie. Why do you suppose that Enve is offering a $900 trade-in value on their wheels to get new ones that don't have the same cross section depth? |
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On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:43:00 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 10:28:33 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:43:25 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:32:43 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 12:04:25 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 3:46:16 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: or your burning wheels maybe https://www.bicycling.com/repair/a29...carbon-wheels/ Although you might not expect your average human to be so dimwitted, this has been going on for as long as I've been around bicycles. And the surprised looks are just precious. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I had a talk to Hambini about carbon wheels. He said almost all of them are made in China so anyone saying that paying $1,700 for a set of wheels gives you anything better than the $300 pair without a name on them doesn't have a lot on the ball. I'm listening to the Chinese Beatles. Anyone who pays for the actual Beatles is a dope. BTW: https://www.amersports.com/2017/07/e...manufacturing/ Happy new year! -- Jay Beattie. Nope, you missed the point, Jay. What Tom is telling you is that you'd be an idiot for letting someone charge you 7x for the Chinese Beatles because you believe a "Liverpool" label makes your disc better than the Chinese Beatles. You're still just getting the Chinese Beatles. You could have saved 6/7th of what you paid, and you'd still have the same Chinese Beatles disc. Not to jump on this too quickly . . . but a Reynolds or HED wheel from China is not the same as a Yougofast.com wheel from China. That Alibaba crap is crap, and Tom's experience proves the point. You get what you pay for. -- Jay Beattie. There is NO carbon fiber wheel on the market that does NOT have a pressure limit. Every single on of them will delaminate with too much pressure and that pressure is all around 120 psi. It has to do with the mechanics of wheel construction. Since they are ALL coming out of three factories in China what would lead you to believe that they were somehow different? Not true. See my link. Enve are coming out of Salt Lake City. Moreover, I'm not talking about heat delamination or other problems inherent in CF. I'm talking about crappy Chinese open-mold or bootleg wheels of the kind you purchased with wavy spoke beds and exploding sidewalls. When you buy name-brand, you are paying for ISO certified factories and close oversight -- and domestic warranties. -- Jay Beattie. Why do you suppose that Enve is offering a $900 trade-in value on their wheels to get new ones that don't have the same cross section depth? It's a common trade-in program to generate sales. Enve is also paying $600 for non-Enve wheels. Quite a deal. I got a trade in deal on my broken Cannondale frame, and Trek has a trade-in/trade-up policy, too, to keep you with the brand as you cycle through kids' bikes. -- Jay Beattie. |
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