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  #21  
Old April 21st 17, 03:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 13:03, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:53, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:46:23 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html




*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.
People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


********. You can be not paying attention without using a phone at
all. On the other hand, I have no difficulty calling or texting while
driving. People can multitask (driving is already doing a few things at
once).

It's *your* attitude to using a phone at the wheel that is all too
prevalent and that's why I say that drivers with phones to their ear
should be jailed to help stop their use.
I now put my phone into the glove box and that is where it stays whilst
I am driving.


I keep mine in my coat pocket and the coat on the back seat or in the boot.

The phone still works via the car's Bluetooth system.

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Old April 21st 17, 03:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
James Wilkinson Sword[_4_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:14:10 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 21/04/2017 13:03, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:53, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:46:23 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html




*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.
People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.

********. You can be not paying attention without using a phone at
all. On the other hand, I have no difficulty calling or texting while
driving. People can multitask (driving is already doing a few things at
once).

It's *your* attitude to using a phone at the wheel that is all too
prevalent and that's why I say that drivers with phones to their ear
should be jailed to help stop their use.
I now put my phone into the glove box and that is where it stays whilst
I am driving.


I keep mine in my coat pocket and the coat on the back seat or in the boot.

The phone still works via the car's Bluetooth system.


Snob. I'm traditional, I just pick up the phone and answer it. Easy to drop it on the seat if there's a policeman passing.

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  #23  
Old April 21st 17, 03:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
James Wilkinson Sword[_4_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:12:49 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html



*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.


Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?


Depends on the mood the pig is in.

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  #24  
Old April 21st 17, 03:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html




*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.


Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?

Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.

  #25  
Old April 21st 17, 03:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
James Wilkinson Sword[_4_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:41:08 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html




*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.


Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?

Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.


Not causing an accident should never be a crime.

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  #26  
Old April 21st 17, 05:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 15:41, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html





*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.


Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.


You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?


Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.


That's what you call a squirm, isn't it?
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Old April 21st 17, 05:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 17:17, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:41, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he
ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html






*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required
standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.

Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of
with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.

You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?


Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.


That's what you call a squirm, isn't it?

A squirm for simply suggesting it being made an imprisonable offence?
  #28  
Old April 21st 17, 11:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 17:56, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 17:17, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:41, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he
ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html







*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required
standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250 IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance
premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death),
emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


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It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.

Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of
with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.

You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?


Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.


That's what you call a squirm, isn't it?

A squirm for simply suggesting it being made an imprisonable offence?


You need to hon your reading and comprehension skills.

That is not what you wrote.

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Old April 22nd 17, 08:05 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/2017 23:24, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 17:56, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 17:17, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:41, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 15:12, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:46, Bod wrote:
On 21/04/2017 12:33, JNugent wrote:
On 21/04/2017 11:00, Bod wrote:

On 21/04/2017 10:57, Bod wrote:

*How was this not "dangerous driving"*?

Abdelyekini Olafusi was found guilty of careless driving after he
ran
down the woman in Clerkenwell.

Olafusi clipped the back of the 41-year-old cyclist’s wheel
when he
turned right at traffic lights on Gray's Inn Road on May 27.

The cyclist, an Italian woman, fell off her bike to the ground but
Olafusi did not stop and continued to drive over her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3519751.html








*Correction* dangerous driving

The distinction is whether driving falls below the required
standard or
far below the required standard.

The latter is always (and rightly) hard to prove.

But the driver got a 15 month ban and a significant fine (£1250
IIRC,
and no mean penalty for someone whose livelihood has just been
withdrawn
from him).

I wouldn't like to be on the paying end of his next insurance
premium,
either.

Should he also have been fastened to a hurdle, drawn by horse to a
place
of execution, then hanged (almost to the point of death),
emasculated,
disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces)?


---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone.

Not really, since there is no report of a charge for that. The story
goes on at length about use of a mobile phone, and it may well be that
he was using an ordinary hand-held phone (thereby doing so illegally),
but it doesn't actually say so, which is sort of my point.

People with phones stuck to their ears should be made an example of
with
jail sentences. That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of
these sort of accidents.

You do know that use of a hand-held phone while driving is not
punishable by a prison sentence, don't you?

And that it isn't even always an offence?

Read what I said again "People with phones stuck to their ears
should be
made an example of with jail sentences"
I never said it was prisonable at the moment.

That's what you call a squirm, isn't it?

A squirm for simply suggesting it being made an imprisonable offence?


You need to hon your reading and comprehension skills.

That is not what you wrote.

This is what I wrote ""People with phones stuck to their ears should be
made an example of with jail sentences".

Which way do *you* comprehend that sentence?
  #30  
Old April 22nd 17, 11:32 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Minicab driver who ran over cyclist whilst distracted on mobilephone spared jail

On 21/04/17 12:53, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:46:23 +0100, Bod
wrote:


It is NOT illegal to use a hands free phone whilst driving so one
assumes that he was holding the phone. People with phones stuck to
their ears should be made an example of with jail sentences.
That'll immediately greatly reduce the incidences of these sort of
accidents.


********. You can be not paying attention without using a phone at
all.


....and even less attention when playing with a phone.

On the other hand, I have no difficulty calling or texting
while driving.


You have no proof of that.

People can multitask (driving is already doing a few
things at once).


Driving is a single task that involves performing actions in a serial
fashion. It does not involve doing several things at once.

People have a poor capacity to multitask and any attempt inevitably
leads to resources getting consumed by context switching. And they have
no proper means of setting priorities and schedules. The word is
horribly over used.
 




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