Could Key West be a bike model for America?

On Oct 31, 1:18*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" wrote:
On Oct 31, 10:47*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote: On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:

Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS,

snip

I gotta admit it's amusing to observe how much kooks have in common;
like this belief everyone is "afraid" of their ideas. *Oooooooh,
scary. *You guys are like little carbon copies of each other. *g

Good to know you can actually fill a page without actually saying
nothing.

The subject here is NOT 9-11, but my subject here is and has always
been WHY AMERICAN ROADS REMAIN A JUNGLE, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX IT.
If we don't, then 44,000 more Americans will die every year and that's
more than 10 times worse than 9-11...

Ready to learn something?

Originally Posted by Bekologist
"There's Portland, New York City, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco,
Denver, Minneapolis, Berkeley as examples of cities with nods towards
bicycling in their public space design that stand as better examples
and be much more easily transmutable to other cities both large and
small."

***

I'm sure they are, but perhaps Key West retains a different atmosfere,
not just people commuting to work. There's a strong sense of community
I think while being opened to the outside world. They pride themselves
in being a separate Conch Republic, which means they want to feel
different.

There used to be a sign (not sure if it's still there) saying
something to the effect of DON'T EVEN THINK OF SPEEDING, WE ARE NOT IN
MAINLAND AMERICA.

Also there's the fact that electric vehicles, scooters, and
motorcycles coexist there.

On Oct 31, 11:36*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote:
On Oct 31, 1:18*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" wrote:





On Oct 31, 10:47*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote: On Oct 31, 12:34*pm, Henry wrote:

Papa Tom wrote:
Sounds to me like the rest of you guys are whipping him/her up pretty well.
Are you sure King of the Apes is the problem, or is it just that many of
this group's members are unwilling to "respectfully disagree" with him/her?
Just my unsolicited input. * Papa Tom

* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Exactly, and AFRAID OF NEW IDEAS,

snip

I gotta admit it's amusing to observe how much kooks have in common;
like this belief everyone is "afraid" of their ideas. *Oooooooh,
scary. *You guys are like little carbon copies of each other. *g

Good to know you can actually fill a page without actually saying
nothing.

The subject here is NOT 9-11, but my subject here is and has always
been WHY AMERICAN ROADS REMAIN A JUNGLE
snip

Hey ****nuts. Instead of roadways, let's see you devote your next
post to the subject to proper respect for the commonly shared resource
of Usenet, while cross-posting to as many unrelated newsgroups as
possible.

Road Glidin' Don wrote:
On Oct 31, 10:34 am, Henry wrote:

They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)

Of course. You, cross-posting vitriol about Bush and 9/11 here day
after day after day for 5 years without a break... that's not an
example of being angry, uptight or easily offended. But, if someone
suggests you give it a break, then it's *their* panties that are in a
wad. Riiiiiiight.

Equating 9-11-01 and the Bush regime's tax payer
theft, war crimes, mass murder, and terrorism with
cross posting seems a little extreme...



--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
http://www.911truth.org



Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

"S'mee" wrote in message
...
AH but you would be wrong...I wear a REAL helmet not the unsafe ****
foisted off on bicyclists. 8^) I compensate for a head made of
camembertsic? by having testicular tissues of diamond.

OK, I think we've now figgered out the problems you
reported with the Ninjette seat...;-)

Bob M.

Road Glidin' Don wrote:

Suppose every message I and every other person here posted was cross-
posted to a dozen or more newsgroups, related or not, in an effort to
have our views read by as many people as possible. It would tend to
negate the rationale for having newsgroups devoted to particular areas
of interest - areas which, although never pure in content, are
nevertheless identifiable, making people better able to filter out
subjects they don't want to be deluged with (like non-Americans with
endless rehashing of a single American 9/11 controversy).

Look at the content of this newsgroup. Probably half
of the exchanges are about something other than motorcycling.
But you don't complain about that - in fact, you often
contribute to it.
Although plenty of them do, many of your posts have
nothing to do with motorcycles. Who decides when the off
topic limit is exceeded? It seems like you only complain
about off topic posts when you don't approve of the off
topic subject. If you do, then off topic is fine. That
tends to reduce the credibility of your complaint.



--

http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
http://www.911truth.org



Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

On Oct 31, 1:48*pm, Henry wrote:
Road Glidin' Don wrote:
On Oct 31, 10:34 am, Henry wrote:
* They're just angry, uptight, and easily offended with
no authority in real life, so they come to usenet to
play tough guys and 'net cops. ;-)
Of course. *You, cross-posting vitriol about Bush and 9/11 here day
after day after day for 5 years without a break... that's not an
example of being angry, uptight or easily offended. *But, if someone
suggests you give it a break, then it's *their* panties that are in a
wad. *Riiiiiiight.

* Equating 9-11-01 and the Bush regime's tax payer
theft, war crimes, mass murder, and terrorism with
cross posting seems a little extreme...

Yep, because WHAT THEY FEAR IS THE MESSAGE.

On Oct 31, 2:02*pm, Henry wrote:
Road Glidin' Don wrote:
Suppose every message I and every other person here posted was cross-
posted to a dozen or more newsgroups, related or not, in an effort to
have our views read by as many people as possible. *It would tend to
negate the rationale for having newsgroups devoted to particular areas
of interest - areas which, although never pure in content, are
nevertheless identifiable, making people better able to filter out
subjects they don't want to be deluged with *(like non-Americans with
endless rehashing of a single American 9/11 controversy).

* Look at the content of this newsgroup. Probably half
of the exchanges are about something other than motorcycling.
But you don't complain about that - in fact, you often
contribute to it.
* Although plenty of them do, many of your posts have
nothing to do with motorcycles. Who decides when the off
topic limit is exceeded? It seems like you only complain
about off topic posts when you don't approve of the off
topic subject. If you do, then off topic is fine. That
tends to reduce the credibility of your complaint.

He sounds like a cop.

Would cops be for safer roads? Good question, huh?

Originally Posted by Saving Hawaii
"While I'm not familiar with Key West, Chico has a very strong sense
of community that I think has a lot to do with the fact that it
retains a very vibrant small-town atmosphere. You can't find that in
large urban areas such as Portland or the Bay, not because these
places don't have better infrastructure, but simply because of their
magnitude. In Chico, I'll recognize people I see on the streets
everyday, and this is something that could never happen when I lived
in Seattle and saw thousands of random faces on a weekly basis. I've
learned that almost anybody I see is friends with a friend of my own,
so you learn to be civil with people because they usually show back up
later. You'll know quite a few of the people you see, as this is
something that still happens in cities with tens of thousands of
people... but I think that community breaks down somewhere in the
hundreds of thousands. Rather than being part of the same community
you're part of the same city, which can still run the gamut as far as
the reactions it creates. Take Seattle for example where I don't find
any sense of community, but people are still very polite as drivers
and you'll often enough find the infamous situation where a few
drivers are stopped at a four-way all waving each other on. There's a
great civility to it, and a pride people take in being part of their
city... but I don't think you can find the same sense of community
that some large towns and small cities can find... it's just not
possible with the vast numbers of people."

***

I'm glad the Chikoko Revolution is working out all right.

But there's another dimension about Key West that I hinted at. At any
given time, there's possibly thousands of tourists in Key West, which
are quick to leave behind the lion's suit, and behave like cooperative
monkeys out to have fun. Perhaps more than a sense of community,
there's A SENSE OF HUMANITY in the experience, where predators and
prey all share.

You know this story?

THE KINGDOM OF THE LION, by Aesop

THE BEASTS of the field and forest had a Lion as their king. He was
neither wrathful, cruel, nor tyrannical, but just and gentle as a king
could be. During his reign he made a royal proclamation for a general
assembly of all the birds and beasts, and drew up conditions for a
universal league, in which the Wolf and the Lamb, the Panther and the
Kid, the Tiger and the Stag, the Dog and the Hare, should live
together in perfect peace and amity. The Hare said, "Oh, how I have
longed to see this day, in which the weak shall take their place with
impunity by the side of the strong." And after the Hare said this, he
ran for his life.


*http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
*http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

* Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION
* U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
*http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
*http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

* *"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
* there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
* take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
* who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
* warfare or morality."
* -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
* *http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

*http://www.commondreams.org/
*http://thirdworldtraveler.com/

* "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
* that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

* *"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
* * or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
* * not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
* * to the American public."
* * -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

* *Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
* *friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

On Oct 31, 12:02*pm, Henry wrote:
Road Glidin' Don wrote:
Suppose every message I and every other person here posted was cross-
posted to a dozen or more newsgroups, related or not, in an effort to
have our views read by as many people as possible. *It would tend to
negate the rationale for having newsgroups devoted to particular areas
of interest - areas which, although never pure in content, are
nevertheless identifiable, making people better able to filter out
subjects they don't want to be deluged with *(like non-Americans with
endless rehashing of a single American 9/11 controversy).

* Look at the content of this newsgroup. Probably half
of the exchanges are about something other than motorcycling.
But you don't complain about that - in fact, you often
contribute to it.
* Although plenty of them do, many of your posts have
nothing to do with motorcycles. Who decides when the off
topic limit is exceeded? It seems like you only complain
about off topic posts when you don't approve of the off
topic subject. If you do, then off topic is fine. That
tends to reduce the credibility of your complaint.

Don't be so eager to just say what you want to say, Henry. If it's on
the subject you're addressing, you should first read my response in
it's entirety.

I already dealt with that in the sentence: "It would tend to negate
the rationale for having newsgroups devoted to particular areas of
interest - areas which, although never pure in content, are
nevertheless identifiable, making people better able to filter out
subjects they don't want to be deluged with"

On Oct 31, 12:07*pm, KingOfTheApes
wrote:

He sounds like a cop.

Would cops be for safer roads? Good question, huh?

More deeeeeep thoughts from the cross-posting genius.