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On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:49:29 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per : High numbers of deaths from hospital acquired infections really only tells you that the general population is not very healthy. And in the USA that is primarily from a large illegal and legal immigrant population that has arrived from countries that do not have particularly good health. How about antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria like MERSA? Most (but interestingly not all) antibiotic resistant bacteria evolved in countries with advanced health care that over-used antibiotics in humans and livestock. MRSA (pronounced "mersa" by some) is almost piffling compared to some of the baddies out there now. VRE and C. difficile seem to be increasing in my experience; ESBLs and CRE infections are much scarier as they can actively combat antibiotics many of the latest antibiotics- it's not a simple matter of resistance. I have had a small number of patients with ESBL urinary tract infections and thus far the mortality rate has been 50%. As is often the case, those most susceptible to infection are those already weakened by other health problems, typically chronic diseases they have had for years. I have not seen any cases of CRE yet in the settings I work in. As a psychologist I do not have any need for physical contact with my patients, but I am having to glove/gown/mask more often now than any time in the past 27 years. |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. I have said this before and will say it again. I have for decades thought that a class in logic ought to be required in every high school. In a participatory form of government- like, you know, democracy, a basic level of non-idiocy is required for success. Unfortunately someone decided that "education creates liberals," and thus far too many politicians have decided to oppose competent public education (at least here, don't know about other parts of the country). Here I'll sound like a conservative: schools need to have standards and accountability for behavior and educational performance, parents (or someone in the home) need to be actively involved in their children's scholastic life. And we need to recognize that not everyone wants to or is able to attend college successfully, which seems to be the current goal of Americam education policy; there should be multiple educational tracks available to help students acquire the skills they need to be successful. One thing I heard from Trump a while back was having some sort of system for apprenticeships, which Germany- probably among others- has done with success for decades; haven't heard a peep about it since, so maybe it fell off the radar. I think that would be a good idea. In my state we seem intent on dismantling the trade schools because of the emphasis on college as the be-all and end-all of education. |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/2/2017 6:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/2/2017 4:49 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per : High numbers of deaths from hospital acquired infections really only tells you that the general population is not very healthy. And in the USA that is primarily from a large illegal and legal immigrant population that has arrived from countries that do not have particularly good health. How about antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria like MERSA? That's the fault of the liberals. Tom will explain how. He may well, but it's an equal-time offense. One of our customers heads up the antibiotic abuse research section at Inst. Pasteur in France. He corroborates a Milwaukee GP's complaint that mothers bring in children with viruses and insist on antibiotics right now. No prescription = 'bad doctor', a label which can devastate a clinic's practice as the mothers all gossip. Similar problem with opiates for every little thing. Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Years ago I was in Singapore and developed a bad case of "flu". As the company paid for medical I hied off to the doctor who took a chest X-ray and did this and that and said "too bad you don't have pneumonia". When I question that he said that if I had pneumonia he'd give me one shot of penicillin and I'd be cured, but there wasn't any medicine for the flu. "Buy some Tylenol, maybe it'll will make you feel better". -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 8:06:23 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. And unfortunately, they're incredibly fertile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDGGZpAmZr4 President Camacho 2020! -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 21:33:39 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote: On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 15:02:04 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/2/2017 2:37 PM, wrote: I worked on many medical instruments and the company managers didn't want us to even go into hospitals during tests. Every possible bacteria is floating around ANY hospital. High numbers of deaths from hospital acquired infections really only tells you that the general population is not very healthy. And in the USA that is primarily from a large illegal and legal immigrant population that has arrived from countries that do not have particularly good health. That's true, and historically very high at the moment. No, it's not true that legal and illegal immigrants are to blame for this. Most of the burden of health care costs in America are the result of treating chronic illnesses: hypertension, hyperlipidemia, obesity, diabetes, COPD, arthritis, etc. Most of those are "natural born" Americans The last time foreign-born people living here were at this high a proportion, Got a cite for that? 'Cuz immigrants been coming to the US every day of my life so far. It's not like that has ever stopped in the past 58 years. Just with back of the envelope figuring, which may no tbe accurate, it seems like the percentage of imigrants in the US is now lower than during the majority of US history. That's how your family got here. And mine. Famine Irish on my Dad's side; not sure my Mom's German ancestors came to the US. Every human living in America is the descendant of an immigrant. Actually almost everyone's ancestors have been coming to the Americas for about, if you want to include the Scandinavians, a thousand years :-) More recently, the late comers, arrived beginning in the 1500's. The original inhabitants, due to a very poorly thought out immigration policy, seem to make up about 0.9% of the U.S. population, as of a 2017 estimate. ...we ended up with The Chinese Exclusion Act as a reaction and much similar legislation through to the Johnson Reed Act after which immigration was minimal for the next 30 years. American companies actively sought out Chinese workers to come to the US- having agents in China sign them up, provide transportation to the US, etc. That was how the western half of the transcontinental railroad got built. Without that, there would have been a fraction of immigration from China than there was. They came because they were needed and because they were cheaper than hiring white people. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 22:06:16 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote: On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. I have said this before and will say it again. I have for decades thought that a class in logic ought to be required in every high school. In a participatory form of government- like, you know, democracy, a basic level of non-idiocy is required for success. Unfortunately someone decided that "education creates liberals," and thus far too many politicians have decided to oppose competent public education (at least here, don't know about other parts of the country). Here I'll sound like a conservative: schools need to have standards and accountability for behavior and educational performance, parents (or someone in the home) need to be actively involved in their children's scholastic life. And we need to recognize that not everyone wants to or is able to attend college successfully, which seems to be the current goal of Americam education policy; there should be multiple educational tracks available to help students acquire the skills they need to be successful. One thing I heard from Trump a while back was having some sort of system for apprenticeships, which Germany- probably among others- has done with success for decades; haven't heard a peep about it since, so maybe it fell off the radar. I think that would be a good idea. In my state we seem intent on dismantling the trade schools because of the emphasis on college as the be-all and end-all of education. Apprenticeship used to be a method of learning a trade. Abraham Lincoln, I believe, "read for the law" which was realistically an apprenticeship program. It eventually became a term used to describe a learning period for the manual trades (one might call them) and then the manual trades became obsolete. Does anyone get up in the middle of the night to knead tomorrow's bread? Or dig a ditch by hand? I completed an apprenticeship to be a "Machinist", although I subsequently went to an engineering school, but I can remember as early as the mid-late 1960's that very little work for a qualified machinist existed. One or maybe two in a big shop and the rest were machine operators. I know that The Donald talked about apprenticeships, and increasing employment, and increasing minimum salaries, and reducing costs, and, and, but I haven't seen much progress being made. Now there is an exercise in logic. (1) Increase wages which certainly contributes to higher sales prices, and (2) reduce costs? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 9/3/2017 10:06 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. I have said this before and will say it again. I have for decades thought that a class in logic ought to be required in every high school. In a participatory form of government- like, you know, democracy, a basic level of non-idiocy is required for success. Unfortunately someone decided that "education creates liberals," and thus far too many politicians have decided to oppose competent public education (at least here, don't know about other parts of the country). Here I'll sound like a conservative: schools need to have standards and accountability for behavior and educational performance, parents (or someone in the home) need to be actively involved in their children's scholastic life. And we need to recognize that not everyone wants to or is able to attend college successfully, which seems to be the current goal of Americam education policy; there should be multiple educational tracks available to help students acquire the skills they need to be successful. One thing I heard from Trump a while back was having some sort of system for apprenticeships, which Germany- probably among others- has done with success for decades; haven't heard a peep about it since, so maybe it fell off the radar. I think that would be a good idea. In my state we seem intent on dismantling the trade schools because of the emphasis on college as the be-all and end-all of education. I see the problems much as you do but out in the real world, "everyone ought to..." scares the crap out of me. My youngest brother was a football player at a major university, functionally illiterate yet with a 4-year degree and fantastic GPA. After a few lost years he finally cleaned himself up, completed an MBA and turned out OK while many of his cohort never survived the post football years of alcohol drugs and general dissolution. You make a rule and half the staff will go around it either through indolence or avarice. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 9/4/2017 12:49 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 22:06:16 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. I have said this before and will say it again. I have for decades thought that a class in logic ought to be required in every high school. In a participatory form of government- like, you know, democracy, a basic level of non-idiocy is required for success. Unfortunately someone decided that "education creates liberals," and thus far too many politicians have decided to oppose competent public education (at least here, don't know about other parts of the country). Here I'll sound like a conservative: schools need to have standards and accountability for behavior and educational performance, parents (or someone in the home) need to be actively involved in their children's scholastic life. And we need to recognize that not everyone wants to or is able to attend college successfully, which seems to be the current goal of Americam education policy; there should be multiple educational tracks available to help students acquire the skills they need to be successful. One thing I heard from Trump a while back was having some sort of system for apprenticeships, which Germany- probably among others- has done with success for decades; haven't heard a peep about it since, so maybe it fell off the radar. I think that would be a good idea. In my state we seem intent on dismantling the trade schools because of the emphasis on college as the be-all and end-all of education. Apprenticeship used to be a method of learning a trade. Abraham Lincoln, I believe, "read for the law" which was realistically an apprenticeship program. It eventually became a term used to describe a learning period for the manual trades (one might call them) and then the manual trades became obsolete. Does anyone get up in the middle of the night to knead tomorrow's bread? Or dig a ditch by hand? I completed an apprenticeship to be a "Machinist", although I subsequently went to an engineering school, but I can remember as early as the mid-late 1960's that very little work for a qualified machinist existed. One or maybe two in a big shop and the rest were machine operators. I know that The Donald talked about apprenticeships, and increasing employment, and increasing minimum salaries, and reducing costs, and, and, but I haven't seen much progress being made. Now there is an exercise in logic. (1) Increase wages which certainly contributes to higher sales prices, and (2) reduce costs? Mayor Comerade Bill in NYC says that increasing cigarette taxes will stop smoking but increasing the minimum wage will not stop employment. Hey Tim McNamara - could you loan him a logic textbook? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:14:32 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/4/2017 12:49 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 22:06:16 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Without an educated populace the gatekeepers are powerless and wishing for an educated population is a fool's dream. And here we are. Yep. And unfortunately there is a large percentage of the American population who have opted to be stupid and proud of it. I have said this before and will say it again. I have for decades thought that a class in logic ought to be required in every high school. In a participatory form of government- like, you know, democracy, a basic level of non-idiocy is required for success. Unfortunately someone decided that "education creates liberals," and thus far too many politicians have decided to oppose competent public education (at least here, don't know about other parts of the country).. Here I'll sound like a conservative: schools need to have standards and accountability for behavior and educational performance, parents (or someone in the home) need to be actively involved in their children's scholastic life. And we need to recognize that not everyone wants to or is able to attend college successfully, which seems to be the current goal of Americam education policy; there should be multiple educational tracks available to help students acquire the skills they need to be successful. One thing I heard from Trump a while back was having some sort of system for apprenticeships, which Germany- probably among others- has done with success for decades; haven't heard a peep about it since, so maybe it fell off the radar. I think that would be a good idea. In my state we seem intent on dismantling the trade schools because of the emphasis on college as the be-all and end-all of education. Apprenticeship used to be a method of learning a trade. Abraham Lincoln, I believe, "read for the law" which was realistically an apprenticeship program. It eventually became a term used to describe a learning period for the manual trades (one might call them) and then the manual trades became obsolete. Does anyone get up in the middle of the night to knead tomorrow's bread? Or dig a ditch by hand? I completed an apprenticeship to be a "Machinist", although I subsequently went to an engineering school, but I can remember as early as the mid-late 1960's that very little work for a qualified machinist existed. One or maybe two in a big shop and the rest were machine operators. I know that The Donald talked about apprenticeships, and increasing employment, and increasing minimum salaries, and reducing costs, and, and, but I haven't seen much progress being made. Now there is an exercise in logic. (1) Increase wages which certainly contributes to higher sales prices, and (2) reduce costs? Mayor Comerade Bill in NYC says that increasing cigarette taxes will stop smoking but increasing the minimum wage will not stop employment. Hey Tim McNamara - could you loan him a logic textbook? Well, you can pass the cost of wages along in price, assuming price elasticity. Smokers don't have a similar option for increasing revenues to cover the cost of cigarettes -- so the markets do operate differently. Paying a higher minimum wage also stimulates the economy because workers have more buying power. It's trickle-up instead of trickle-down. My son earned sh** in a bike shop and then took all his earnings and bought a bike from the shop. Good discount, but still a money maker for the shop. -- Jay Beattie. |
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