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Can not wearing a cyling helmet cause death?
http://www.hucknalltoday.co.uk/ViewA...icleID=1499298
Grieving family hurl abuse at inquest THE FAMILY of a Bulwell grandad, who died after falling from his bike in a road accident, shouted "rot in hell" to the driver in a stormy end to the inquest this week. Angry family members hurled abuse at Angela Holden, of Hucknall, who was driving her black Peugeot 206 when it collided with Brian Ross's bicycle on Thursday September 15 last year. Mr Ross (65) was taken to the Queen's Medical Centre in Nottingham where he was kept in intensive care but died a day later. Assistant deputy coroner Martin Gotheridge said the cause of death was a severe head-injury caused by Mr Ross not wearing a helmet. The inquest heard that Mr Ross, a keen cyclist, left his home on Sankey Drive at about 8 am to buy a paper from a local shop. It was a route he took every day. Neighbour Lynn Widnall, also of Sankey Drive, said she was walking her son to school when they came to the junction with Hambling Close and had to stop for a car. She said Mr Ross appeared to her right on his bike and she told the inquest: "He put his hand up to say stop to the car and the car didn't stop at the junction. It carried straight on around the corner and collided with him." She said Mr Ross was knocked into the air but the car wasn't travelling very fast. She told her son to run home and call an ambulance. Daniel Morgan, also of Sankey Drive, said he was looking out of a bedroom window when he saw Mr Ross cycling on the wrong side of the road before moving to the correct side near the Hambling Close junction. Both witnesses said it was drizzling with rain but visibility was good. Mrs Holden, of Papplewick Lane, told the inquest she was on her way to work and stopped at the junction before looking both ways. She said she didn't see anything but as she began to move the car forward she suddenly spotted Mr Ross. She recalled: "In a fraction of a second, we made eye-contact and a split second later, he was in front of the car and that's when I stopped. It all happened so quickly." She said she got out of the car and Mr Ross was conscious. He didn't speak and she held his hand. She said her driving visibility was not impaired and she had her windscreen wipers on. Pc Terence Poyser told the inquest there were no marks or scratches on the car, which indicated it was a slow collision. He said the bike's rear wheel was slightly buckled and had sustained a few scratches. He said scratches on the road indicated Mr Ross was on the correct side of the road at the time of the accident but could have come from a direction that the driver would not have expected. Recording a verdict of accidental death, Mr Gotheridge said: "This illustrates the dangers that can occur if people cycle without wearing a helmet. "The evidence shows that even in a low-speed collision, if someone falls from a bike and bangs their head, the consequences can be fatal." Mr Ross had just retired from his job of 15 years as an assistant caretaker at Nottingham High School for Boys. He left his wife Mary, three children Duncan, Micheal and Claire and three grandchildren Scott, Adam and Kayleigh. Nottingham City Coroners Office. 50 Carrington Street, Nottingham, NG1 7FG Tel: 0115 941 2322 Email: Dear Mr Gotheridge. I read your remarks relating to the death of Mr Ross with disbelief. May I ask if your remarks were quoted accurately in this piece? http://www.hucknalltoday.co.uk/ViewA...icleID=1499298 "Assistant deputy coroner Martin Gotheridge said the cause of death was a severe head-injury caused by Mr Ross not wearing a helmet." This is an outrageous remrk, how on earth can you blame Mr Ross for a car not seeing him and running him over? If your remarks were faithfully recorded than you have effectively given carte blanche for careless motorists to kill cyclists. If your remarks were as reported then you have both shifted blame AND mitigated the terms of any future civil settlement by stating that the injuries were caused by the lack of a helmet, a truly bizarre remark. The man died because some idiot either failed to see him due to inadequate observations, decioded to chance it and misjudged the situation, or simply decided her time was more important, and pulled out any way. There is nothing in those witness statements, Police statement or anywhere else inb the report to attribute blame to this cyclist, unless you simply count being on the road as being culpable in any RTA. Could you please clarify whether your remarks were reported accurately? Best regards Spindrift |
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Can not wearing a cyling helmet cause death?
"spindrift" wrote in message ups.com... http://www.hucknalltoday.co.uk/ViewA...icleID=1499298 snip Assistant deputy coroner Martin Gotheridge said the cause of death was a severe head-injury caused by Mr Ross not wearing a helmet. The inquest heard that Mr Ross, a keen cyclist, left his home on Sankey Drive at about 8 am to buy a paper from a local shop. It was a route he took every day. Neighbour Lynn Widnall, also of Sankey Drive, said she was walking her son to school when they came to the junction with Hambling Close and had to stop for a car. She said Mr Ross appeared to her right on his bike and she told the inquest: "He put his hand up to say stop to the car and the car didn't stop at the junction. It carried straight on around the corner and collided with him." She said Mr Ross was knocked into the air but the car wasn't travelling very fast. She told her son to run home and call an ambulance. Daniel Morgan, also of Sankey Drive, said he was looking out of a bedroom window when he saw Mr Ross cycling on the wrong side of the road before moving to the correct side near the Hambling Close junction. Well, firstly, here's the junction .. http://tinyurl.com/oulde I cannot see the road lines, but I presume he had full right of way and that this is a residential housing area. There is a report that he was on the wrong side of the road, and that he corrected this. This could be because he spotted the car. Another report says that he raised his left hand to signal the car to stop. Most accidents happen within a mile of the home, and in retrospect it may have been a wise decision to have hit the brakes and not tried to "use the force" to stop a car. Local housing estates are worse than main roads as car drivers have only just set off, and are "still fiddling". If he was on the wrong side of the road, this may not have registered to the car driver as a normal place to be, therefore creating a confusing situation. Personally I would *guess* that the cyclist not using his brakes and being slightly more defensive helped cause the situation. I have come across many unaware drivers in my time, but have only gone over one bonnet in 10 years. The end result though is that the car driver crossed a give way junction, colliding with the cyclist and this would be the main cause of his death. I would like the coroner to actually prove that not wearing a helmet was the 'cause' if making statements such as these. |
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Can not wearing a cyling helmet cause death?
spindrift wrote: This is an outrageous remrk, how on earth can you blame Mr Ross for a car not seeing him and running him over? Trying to be impartial: Nobody was blaming Mr Ross. The evidence casts doubt on wether Mr Ross had been negotiating the junction correctly, so the blame cannot be placed entirely on the driver. The accident also appeared, from all evidence, to occur at very low speed. This is the sort of accident that happens every day between vehicles. With cars you might have broken a headlamp. This man died of a head injury. It should be possible to minimise the risk of death in such a minor accident by wearing a helmet. If the helmets are not adequate, then they should be improved. Whilst obligatory helmet wearing is a debatable issue, the judge noting that wearing a helmet could have saved his life was quite correct. |
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Roger wrote:
Nobody was blaming Mr Ross. The cause of death was, so we're told, Mr. Ross not wearing a helmet. His decision not to wear it, so his "fault" is the inference. It should be possible to minimise the risk of death in such a minor accident by wearing a helmet. If the helmets are not adequate, then they should be improved. But if they are improved by creating a specification such that they can be expected to usefully mitigate serious injuries then they will be heavier and less comfortable, which will affect the cyclist. Whilst obligatory helmet wearing is a debatable issue, the judge noting that wearing a helmet could have saved his life was quite correct. As he would have been pointing out that a rabbit's foot or a St. Christopher /might/ have saved him. Helmets have no clearly proven track record of saving lives. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Roger wrote: the judge noting that wearing a helmet could have saved his life was quite correct. That's not what was said. The coroner implied blame on Mr Ross because a driver didn't notice a cylist in broad daylight. Put it this way: Driver swerves to avoid a cyclist running a red light and smashes into pedestrians on the pavement. The coroner states" This just goes to show why railings are so important, the pedestrian deaths were caused by there being no railings" Fair? Of course not, no wonder the Ross family were so upset. |
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elyob wrote: I would like the coroner to actually prove that not wearing a helmet was the 'cause' if making statements such as these. The coroner defined the incedent as an accident, probably because there is evidence that the cyclist had not approached the junction correctly and this may be why the car driver failed to see him. The coroner then added: "The evidence shows that even in a low-speed collision, if someone falls from a bike and bangs their head, the consequences can be fatal." He is quite correct there. The evidence clearly showed that this was a low speed collision (independent of whose fault), and yet it is possible to recieve a fatal blow to the head. Wether this is a just case for obligatory helmets is a different issue. Many people die from blows to the head after falling down stairs.....should we wear helmets as we go about the house? |
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On 16 May 2006 02:38:02 -0700, Roger wrote:
spindrift wrote: This is an outrageous remrk, how on earth can you blame Mr Ross for a car not seeing him and running him over? Trying to be impartial: Nobody was blaming Mr Ross. The evidence casts doubt on wether Mr Ross had been negotiating the junction correctly, so the blame cannot be placed entirely on the driver. The accident also appeared, from all evidence, to occur at very low speed. This is the sort of accident that happens every day between vehicles. With cars you might have broken a headlamp. This man died of a head injury. It should be possible to minimise the risk of death in such a minor accident by wearing a helmet. If the helmets are not adequate, then they should be improved. How? Any improvements to the how a helmet protects from injury, will probably increase weight and also be more insulating. Some of us need every help we can get with heat dissipation and wearing anything on the head (esp. polystyrene) hinders rather than helps. Whilst obligatory helmet wearing is a debatable issue, the judge noting that wearing a helmet could have saved his life was quite correct. It was a coroner not a judge they are different beasts. Anyway I disagree or rather I don't. "Could have" is such a nebulous catch-all. Whether it would have or not is a different matter. The probability is obviously non-zero but no-one can say for sure what it really is. Some people die from very minor knocks to the skull. This one happened when the guy was on a bike. The coroner should limit himself to a finding of fact and not speculate. After all we do not hear coroners saying a helmet could have saved him when people die falling down in the street, or down a flight of stairs, and banging their heads. -- Andy Leighton = "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ |
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Andy Leighton wrote: How? Any improvements to the how a helmet protects from injury, will probably increase weight and also be more insulating. Some of us need every help we can get with heat dissipation and wearing anything on the head (esp. polystyrene) hinders rather than helps. OT, but I cycle with a helmet in Italy. I can recommend the trick of a thin cotton skullcap or bandanna under the helmet, you splash a bit of water on it every now and again and it keeps wonderfully cool. It was a coroner not a judge they are different beasts. Yes, quite true. In fact if it had been a criminal court judge with the driver on trial the judge would have been completely out of order. But a coroner must note all factors in the death of a person even when they are normal everyday occurances. really is. Some people die from very minor knocks to the skull. This one happened when the guy was on a bike. The coroner should limit himself to a finding of fact and not speculate. After all we do not hear coroners No, people recieve fatal knocks to the skull from many causes, and coroners do make comments with the scope of trying to avoid future occurances The problem in this case is that he did not construct his comments well, plus the fact that many people seem to regard the coroners court as a criminal trial. The judge is not speculating. Standards exist for cycling helmets which are supposed to be designed to reduce the risk of fatal injuries such as this. It is not for the coroner (on the basis of the evidence in this trial) to speculate on the potential for the helmet to reduce the risk, theoretically the helmet device exists. Had the cyclist been wearing a helmet and had nonetheless died of a blow to the head, the coroner may have said "The evidence shows that cycling helemets may be inadequate to protect riders even in a minor incident". BTW, my 2 cents on cycle helmets: I think they significally reduce risks to the rider, but the rider should be free to choose wether to take the risk or not. They should be (and usually are) obligatory in competition. |
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Roger wrote:
Peter Clinch wrote: Roger wrote: Nobody was blaming Mr Ross. The cause of death was, so we're told, Mr. Ross not wearing a helmet. His decision not to wear it, so his "fault" is the inference. Your inference, your implication. "Assistant deputy coroner Martin Gotheridge said the cause of death was a severe head-injury caused by Mr Ross not wearing a helmet" leaves no doubt that the "cause" was "not wearing a helmet". Who was responsible for Mr. Ross not wearing a helmet aside from Mr. Ross? The coroner cannot uniquivicolly blame the driver as the cause of the accident as there is evidence that the cyclist may have been in part to blame. It would be very incorrect of him to implicate the driver superficially, as that would make the driver implicated in a manslaughter charge. I quite agree that blaming the driver 100% given the evidence would be wrong, but that wasn't the point. The point is that blaming the absence of a cycle helmet for the death is a rather bold and unrequired leap into the unknown. He did not blame the cyclist for not wearing the helmet, he noted the potential relevance. But he didn'tr say it was *potentially* relevant, he said explicitly it *was* the cause. Noty the same thing at all! I think the coroner expressed himself badly, I do not think he was trying to pin all the blame on the incident on the cyclist. Nor do , but the fact of the matter is he /did/ pin all the blame on the cyclist not wearing a helmet. Perhaps he should have said "Independent of the cause of the accident, the incedent shows how even in a low speed accident a cyclist may recieve a fatal blow to the head....." And that would be accurate. But saying the cause emphatically *was* the failure to wear a lid is bad form. Remember that this was not a criminal trial but a coroners court, whose role is not only to establish the circumstances and cause of death but to identify all factors such that steps may cosidered to reduce the risk of future deaths. And the record for helmets saving lives is where, exactly? Many people assume that the 85% effectiveness that is often broadcast at us has a ring of truth behind it. Few are aware that there is no link between increased helmet wearing and no improvement in serious and fatal head injuries. So they make rather questionable conclusions about how useful helmets have been or may be. Guy Chapman had an interesting anecdote regarding two falls by pensioners in his neck of the woods. Both over the bars, both hit their heads, one died, the other didn't. As it happened the one that died had a helmet on and the survivor had a cotton cap. Can you see the possibility, had they been the other way around, that the survivor would be proclaimed to have had his life saved by his helmet? Can you see the possibility of the media or even a coroner suggesting that the dead man's lack of a helmet was to blame for his demise? I certainly can, because we see these assumptions all the time, but in this case it didn't work that way. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Cycling with a helmet is not a legal requirement. Driving with care and attention is. This driver ignored a cyclist and killed him and the coroner implies the blame lies with the cyclist 2/ The police stated that the cyclist was on the right side of the road when the driver drove her car into him. 3/ Even if he was on the wrong side of the road, or sitting in the middle of it eating his breakfast. He still has right of way as a pedestrian - if a pedestrian is defined as a human being, that is. |
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