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On 6/28/2017 8:03 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
John B. wrote: The Swiss Military were procuring a "military bicycle" up to, at least, 2o12 when they procured 4,100 units of the MO-12 and I also see a news article dated 2-14 stating that the Swiss Army was "Switzerland's defence department has ordered the reinstatement of the bicycle infantry for the Swiss Army in a bid to improve fitness standards among soldiers" Switzerland? Do they even have an army? Yep. Undefeated too. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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military bikes (was: Does Your City Require Bicycle Registration?)
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 03:03:20 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: John B. wrote: The Swiss Military were procuring a "military bicycle" up to, at least, 2o12 when they procured 4,100 units of the MO-12 and I also see a news article dated 2-14 stating that the Swiss Army was "Switzerland's defence department has ordered the reinstatement of the bicycle infantry for the Swiss Army in a bid to improve fitness standards among soldiers" Switzerland? Do they even have an army? On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. "People determined unfit for service, where fitness is defined as "satisfying physically, intellectually and mentally requirements for military service or civil protection service and being capable of accomplishing these services without harming oneself or others", are exempted from service but pay an additional 3% of annual income tax until the age of 30, unless they are affected by a disability. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. Do they have any gear as well save for ice-axes and the Swiss army knife? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 04:01:19 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: John B. wrote: On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. Do they have any gear as well save for ice-axes and the Swiss army knife? I don't know about the knife and axe but every Swiss man who has successfully completed his army training is required to keep a rifle at home. It is estimated that between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are in circulation on Switzerland, a country of about 8 million people. Perhaps the knife and axe are redundant when one has fully automatic rifle :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. writes:
I don't know about the knife and axe but every Swiss man who has successfully completed his army training is required to keep a rifle at home. It is estimated that between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are in circulation on Switzerland, a country of about 8 million people. Perhaps the knife and axe are redundant when one has fully automatic rifle :-) Ace: Sir, I don't understand. Who needs a knife in a nuclear war? All you have to do is push a button... sir? (Zim yanks the knife out of the post.) Zim: Put your hand on the post, private. Ace: Sir? (Hesitates, but obeys.) (Zim throws the knife, sticking Ace's hand the the post.) Zim: Observe! The enemy cannot push a button *if you disable his hand*. OK, the Swiss have an army and they have rifles. What I mean is, do they have a real, modern army with tanks, fighters, helicopters, and big guns, trained to do war? Or is a symbolic, traditional national-pride thing, like sumo wrestling or bull fighting? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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military bikes (was: Does Your City Require Bicycle Registration?)
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:20:46 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: John B. writes: I don't know about the knife and axe but every Swiss man who has successfully completed his army training is required to keep a rifle at home. It is estimated that between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are in circulation on Switzerland, a country of about 8 million people. Perhaps the knife and axe are redundant when one has fully automatic rifle :-) Ace: Sir, I don't understand. Who needs a knife in a nuclear war? All you have to do is push a button... sir? (Zim yanks the knife out of the post.) Zim: Put your hand on the post, private. Ace: Sir? (Hesitates, but obeys.) (Zim throws the knife, sticking Ace's hand the the post.) Zim: Observe! The enemy cannot push a button *if you disable his hand*. OK, the Swiss have an army and they have rifles. What I mean is, do they have a real, modern army with tanks, fighters, helicopters, and big guns, trained to do war? Or is a symbolic, traditional national-pride thing, like sumo wrestling or bull fighting? The Swiss military seems to be made up of about 135,000 personnel on active duty. They appear to have the following forces. Two Infantry brigades; two mountain infantry brigades; two armored brigades and additionally two large reserve brigades (Infantry Brigade 7 and Mountain Brigade 10) exist. A brigade is a major tactical military formation that is typically composed of three to six battalions plus supporting elements They also have an air force currently equipped with approximately 270 fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
The Swiss military seems to be made up of about 135,000 personnel on active duty. They appear to have the following forces. Two Infantry brigades; two mountain infantry brigades; two armored brigades and additionally two large reserve brigades (Infantry Brigade 7 and Mountain Brigade 10) exist. A brigade is a major tactical military formation that is typically composed of three to six battalions plus supporting elements They also have an air force currently equipped with approximately 270 fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft. OK, case closed. Thank you -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 6/28/2017 9:01 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
John B. wrote: On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. Do they have any gear as well save for ice-axes and the Swiss army knife? You seem to be unfamiliar with The Confederation's cultu http://modernfirearms.net/assault/sw...-stgw57-e.html Swiss neutrality is not an intellectual exercise. In military theory, Swiss are considered both formidable in defense and also ungarrisonable. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi writes:
You seem to be unfamiliar with The Confederation's cultu http://modernfirearms.net/assault/sw...-stgw57-e.html Swiss neutrality is not an intellectual exercise. In military theory, Swiss are considered both formidable in defense and also ungarrisonable. There is no surprise as to their engineering and industrial capabilities to do rifles and guns and all sort of such things. Actually I expected that. But a modern army and air force I assumed they didn't hold because I never heard of Swiss military maneuvers, or of any huge weapon systems like tanks and fighters as you hear of from other countries, not just the big producers like the UK, France, Russia and so on but also countries like Poland or Gruzia getting US fighters, Denmark sending a sub to Iraq and so on, not to mention the Arab states getting all the top notch gear from the US and Russia. Never heard of Switzerland in any such setting. As for the intellectual exercise I know because Sweden had an incredibly strong and self-reliant force at the time we were boasting the most about being neutral or unaligned (which was a scam as we were in the US or at least the anti-SSSR/Russia camp in all but words). Now this is mostly gone tho. Finland kept theirs which is why they have a much sounder view of Russia with much less hysteria. But they are more basic. We have our own subs and fighters! But it is an open question which approach is better. As for Switzerland perhaps it is not comparable to either. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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I found I list he
http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...ing-europe.asp "European Powers Ranked by Military Strength Ranking" 1 France 2 United Kingdom 1-2 old-school colonial powers 3 Germany 4 Italy 3-4 WW2 upstarts 5 Poland 6 Spain 1-6 all countries with huge populations 7 Greece 6-7 right wing dictatorships/military rule; 1-7 all NATO IINM 8 Sweden Sweden is 8? Must de due to technology 9 Ukraine Ukraine at 9 and huge country/population but got totally owned by Russia 10 Czech Republic advanced arms industry way back 11 Switzerland Switzerland at 11! 12 Netherlands skills beyond belief with everything they do 13 Romania lots of former SSSR and/or Eastern-bloc countries below 14 Belarus 15 Denmark 16 Finland Finland only at 16! Must be lack of technology because they are strong 17 Austria 18 Portugal compare Spain and Greece 19 Hungary 20 Belgium lots of tradition, EU arms trade hub 21 Bulgaria 22 Croatia 23 Slovakia 24 Serbia 25 Albania 26 Lithuania 27 Latvia 28 Estonia 29 Slovenia 30 Macedonia 31 Bosnia and Herzegovina -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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