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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-7, Emanuel Berg wrote:
AMuzi writes: You seem to be unfamiliar with The Confederation's cultu http://modernfirearms.net/assault/sw...-stgw57-e.html Swiss neutrality is not an intellectual exercise. In military theory, Swiss are considered both formidable in defense and also ungarrisonable. There is no surprise as to their engineering and industrial capabilities to do rifles and guns and all sort of such things. Actually I expected that. But a modern army and air force I assumed they didn't hold because I never heard of Swiss military maneuvers, or of any huge weapon systems like tanks and fighters as you hear of from other countries, not just the big producers like the UK, France, Russia and so on but also countries like Poland or Gruzia getting US fighters, Denmark sending a sub to Iraq and so on, not to mention the Arab states getting all the top notch gear from the US and Russia. Never heard of Switzerland in any such setting. As for the intellectual exercise I know because Sweden had an incredibly strong and self-reliant force at the time we were boasting the most about being neutral or unaligned (which was a scam as we were in the US or at least the anti-SSSR/Russia camp in all but words). Now this is mostly gone tho. Finland kept theirs which is why they have a much sounder view of Russia with much less hysteria. But they are more basic. We have our own subs and fighters! But it is an open question which approach is better. As for Switzerland perhaps it is not comparable to either. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 Hmm, you might be right. Google swiss navy, what you get is this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swiss+navy might make good chain lube |
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Doug Landau writes:
Hmm, you might be right. Google swiss navy, what you get is this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swiss+navy might make good chain lube Ha ha, Google Swiss Navy -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2017 9:01 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: John B. wrote: On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. Do they have any gear as well save for ice-axes and the Swiss army knife? How about a nice cup of STFU? https://www.rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/ https://www.rt.com/news/392009-eight-hoods-added-sweden-no-go-zone/ Swiss Army surplus: https://vtarmynavy.com/swiss-army-air-raid-siren.html https://vtarmynavy.com/swiss-military-sniper-net https://vtarmynavy.com/swiss-s-i-g-gun-cleaning-kit Swedouche army surplus: https://www.raeer.com/images/full/24678i-Schwed-Kopfkissen-Po.jpg https://www.raeer.com/images/full/74160i-Schwed-Doppelduschko.jpg https://www.raeer.com/images/full/44330i-Schwed-Handwaschb%C3%BCrs.jpg You seem to be unfamiliar with The Confederation's cultu What else did you expect? |
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:51:59 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2017 9:01 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: John B. wrote: On a per capita basis I suspect one of the largest in Europe. " all able-bodied male citizens, are conscripted when they reach the age of majority". About 18,000 new soldiers are enlisted annually. Do they have any gear as well save for ice-axes and the Swiss army knife? You seem to be unfamiliar with The Confederation's cultu http://modernfirearms.net/assault/sw...-stgw57-e.html Swiss neutrality is not an intellectual exercise. In military theory, Swiss are considered both formidable in defense and also ungarrisonable. I believe that there are 28 members of the E.U. Switzerland's military capability exceeds all but eight of the members. But more important, as the Germans determined, the country has virtually no strategic value. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Doug Landau wrote:
Hmm, you might be right. Google swiss navy, what you get is this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swiss+navy might make good chain lube I took a look at that page again and it says Land-locked nations are NOT penalized for lack of a navy; naval powers ARE penalized for lack of diversity in available assets. It is actually tricky! In terms of traditional decence I agree but if you envision a global all-out war like they did in the cold war period when the nuke subs are firing at you it wont help you not having an ocean of your own. However for the Swiss or any other "land-locked" nation to develop and maintain a navy in the sense other countries do - just bizarre, so I have to agree with the rule as it stands. There is also another interesting rule: Nuclear stockpiles are NOT taken into account but recognized / suspected nuclear powers receive a bonus. For a while I wondered if that's why Ukraine and Belarus scored comparatively high on the list. But when I think about it I think they handed over their nukes to Russia in the 90s. Probably a lot of old-school but very good "Made in the USSR" hardware there tho... Speaking of Russia, here is the global list: http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp USA is number one, Russia 2, China 3. Sort of the intuitive world order I suppose. By the way there was recently an american diplomat who told Putin America has the world's most deadly nuclear arsenal. Putin then said he thought it was a strange statement. Like someone had *denied* that... (?) Ha ha Also, you can follow the link for each nation to see a breakdown what they have. I didn't find any reference to military bikes tho -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 01:43:19 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: Doug Landau wrote: Hmm, you might be right. Google swiss navy, what you get is this: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swiss+navy might make good chain lube I took a look at that page again and it says Land-locked nations are NOT penalized for lack of a navy; naval powers ARE penalized for lack of diversity in available assets. It is actually tricky! In terms of traditional decence I agree but if you envision a global all-out war like they did in the cold war period when the nuke subs are firing at you it wont help you not having an ocean of your own. However for the Swiss or any other "land-locked" nation to develop and maintain a navy in the sense other countries do - just bizarre, so I have to agree with the rule as it stands. There is also another interesting rule: Nuclear stockpiles are NOT taken into account but recognized / suspected nuclear powers receive a bonus. For a while I wondered if that's why Ukraine and Belarus scored comparatively high on the list. But when I think about it I think they handed over their nukes to Russia in the 90s. Probably a lot of old-school but very good "Made in the USSR" hardware there tho... Speaking of Russia, here is the global list: http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp USA is number one, Russia 2, China 3. Sort of the intuitive world order I suppose. By the way there was recently an american diplomat who told Putin America has the world's most deadly nuclear arsenal. Putin then said he thought it was a strange statement. Like someone had *denied* that... (?) Ha ha Also, you can follow the link for each nation to see a breakdown what they have. I didn't find any reference to military bikes tho But actually Switzerland does have a navy in the sense of having "a flotilla of military patrol boats" for use on their lakes, some of which lie across international borders, so one might say that the Swiss have a navy which operates in international waters :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. writes:
But actually Switzerland does have a navy in the sense of having "a flotilla of military patrol boats" for use on their lakes, some of which lie across international borders, so one might say that the Swiss have a navy which operates in international waters :-) And I love that! When you do the most of whatever there is. You never know where it will take you, but it is something positive, for sure. Simpleton whiners will never understand that all intelligent activity is valuable, be it "land-locked" or not! Another example that comes to mind is a famous race I just read about in a Lucky Luke comic, namely along the Mississippi river between two passenger steam ferries. It was in 1870, and the winning time between New Orleans and St. Louis was 3 days, 18 hours, and 13 minutes. It says the record still stands for steam ships But I suppose there is a limit somewhere. Like Denmark, I hope they weren't "penalized" for not having mountaineering fighting units (not that I know what equipment/training goes into that). Their Himmelbjerget ("sky mountain") at 147 m or 482 feet - as they say, "if we had a mountain, it would be high as well" -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 02:55:32 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote: John B. writes: But actually Switzerland does have a navy in the sense of having "a flotilla of military patrol boats" for use on their lakes, some of which lie across international borders, so one might say that the Swiss have a navy which operates in international waters :-) And I love that! When you do the most of whatever there is. You never know where it will take you, but it is something positive, for sure. Simpleton whiners will never understand that all intelligent activity is valuable, be it "land-locked" or not! Another example that comes to mind is a famous race I just read about in a Lucky Luke comic, namely along the Mississippi river between two passenger steam ferries. It was in 1870, and the winning time between New Orleans and St. Louis was 3 days, 18 hours, and 13 minutes. It says the record still stands for steam ships The Robert E Lee's record still stands as the record for commercial vessels. In the late 1800's the Mississippi river was navigable approximately from New Orleans to St. Louis and the race was very much an advertising event. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. writes:
The Robert E Lee's record still stands as the record for commercial vessels. In the late 1800's the Mississippi river was navigable approximately from New Orleans to St. Louis and the race was very much an advertising event. If you can get a copy of the comic, do it. It is a lot of fun Probably even more for a "boat nut". Mine is printed in Belgium in 1984. It doesn't say what the title is for the English edition, but the French language original title is "En Remontant Le Mississipi". -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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