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Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
MagillaGorilla wrote:
Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition. So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time? How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics? Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something sensible to say. R |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:03:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
wrote: Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition. Things don't just happen, ****face. Just a show of hands - who here has seen parking lot security for what appears to have been a low to medium level event? I've been an official at DC and Baltimore events and been on the support staff for a couple more, and outside of the really high end events, I've never seen any security for a parking lot. Hell, the budget gets eaten up with the metal barriers, police on the course and medical and the volunteer staffing barely covers the corners, so where is it coming from anyway - telling the local Hells Angels they can beat up on some bicyclists if they do security free? That common up Phillie-New york way? The security, not the Hells Angels beating up on bicyclists... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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John Neil wrote:
Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least. The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race. It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather cooperated. Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we were surprised? John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention, then he disappears for a while. Sad really. I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but for the team kits and such. Just a thought. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition. So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time? How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics? Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something sensible to say. R The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it would likely be stolen. Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants. Magilla |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:03:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla wrote: Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition. Things don't just happen, ****face. Just a show of hands - who here has seen parking lot security for what appears to have been a low to medium level event? I've been an official at DC and Baltimore events and been on the support staff for a couple more, and outside of the really high end events, I've never seen any security for a parking lot. Hell, the budget gets eaten up with the metal barriers, police on the course and medical and the volunteer staffing barely covers the corners, so where is it coming from anyway - telling the local Hells Angels they can beat up on some bicyclists if they do security free? That common up Phillie-New york way? The security, not the Hells Angels beating up on bicyclists... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... If they didn't provide security then they should have put a warning on the race flyer so at least people could have taken some precautions. "WARNING: Philadelphia and the vicinity has a notrious reputation for property theft and car break-ins. Do not leave valuables such as bikes or laptops unattended or in your car." ------- There, I just gave you the solution. Instead, the promoter was so faggoty excited about going in circles around a filthy brown river, he forgot to tell participants about the only things that really mattered. All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer? Magilla Just someone with a large banana |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:47:51 -0400, MagillaGorilla
wrote: All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer? We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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John Neil wrote:
Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least. The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race. Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we were surprised? jn Dear College, First of all, answer this question you smart-aleck college student: Were you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a long way to preventing this theft. And if the answer is yes, then why the **** did you leave your valuables in your car and your bike on your roof while you ate dinner and talked about "racing" around a dirty river? You don't think a pair of bolt cutters would cut through that cable that secured your bikes? The only reason your bikes weren't stolen is because someone probably interrupted the crime or the thieves didn't have anywhere to put the bikes, or they were on foot and couldn't ride while carrying the rest of the stuff they ripped off from you. So no, I'm not "kidding you." Your insurance agent should give you a lecture about what a jackass you are for using your car as a Macy's storefront window display. Put that on your resumé, College Boy. Magilla |
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RicodJour wrote:
John Neil wrote: Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least. The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race. It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather cooperated. Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we were surprised? John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention, then he disappears for a while. Sad really. I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but for the team kits and such. Just a thought. R Better question.... Why should everyone else's car insurance rates go up because of this guy's stupidity for leaving valuables in his car unattended while he went to dinner to talk about racing around a dirty river? If he starts that Paypal fund, I will tell Paypal to shut it down because his stupidity constitutes fraud. Magilla Paypal SafeHarbor Customer Representative |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:47:51 -0400, MagillaGorilla wrote: All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer? We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Okay, objection noted. But the promoter had an obligation to warn people that they were stepping into the Lion's Den when they came to Philly. The promoter and teams who race the Commerce Bank Philly race take extreme precuations for the prevention of theft including the hiring of a 24 hour security guard to watch over team vehicles and getting the race hotel to allow them to take their bikes into their hotel room. What was this Philly Phlyer promoter thinking? I bet you there were 20 thefts at this race we didn't even hear about. Magilla Walmart Security Consultant |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
John Neil wrote: Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least. The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race. Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we were surprised? Dear College, First of all, answer this question you smart-aleck college student: Were you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a long way to preventing this theft. Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas, mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets. Your "statistics" are faulty. I am sure that John is not aware that the theft in Philadelphia is "astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of the country" as I'm sure that he has no idea WTF you mean. It's impossible to parse that into something comprehensible. In other words, you palm-jobbing sphincter swinger, Philadelphia's _property_ crime rate is not "astronomically higher than 95% of the country". Since John was not mugged, raped, murdered, etc., Philadelphia's woeful violent crime statistics don't apply. For that he should count his blessings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_i...s#Large_cities Some people have enough knowledge to be dangerous. You have enough knowledge to aspire to be an idiot one day. Try harder and stop huffing. R |
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