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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
On Aug 25, 7:00*am, Tom Sherman
wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 24, 9:14 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 23, 7:42 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 23, 9:25 am, wrote: made by an obama supporter. every jersey sold donates $5 to the campaign Obama believehttp://www.bikingthings.com/obbebijedecy.html Obama Hope short sleeveshttp://www.bikingthings.com/obhobijebaob.html Obama hope Long sleeveshttp://www.bikingthings.com/obhobijelosl.html Http://www.bikingthings.com So to contribute $5 to a politician's campaign fund his supporters can spend- $90 on a sleeveless three color sublimated no artwork jersey with a 3/4 zip or $95 on a shortsleeve three color sublimated with art with a 3/4 zip or $100 on a longsleeve three color sublimated with art with a 3/4 zip? If these sell, he must have some really bright supporters. I see a lot of cyclists who will pay even more to wear jerseys supporting commercial products. I think you are referring to Div 1 team jerseys but even they don't cost that much, not if you shop wisely. Still, should not the commercial enterprises pay cyclists for their endorsements of the products? At least these jerseys should sell for considerably less than an equivalent quality jersey without advertising. BTW, you don't think a politician running for national office is a "commercial product"? They are all packaged and marketed in much the same way as toothpaste or deodorant. Indeed. (At least Obama and McSame - Barr, McKinney and Nader are in a different category.) The commercial enterprises you refer to do in fact pay cyclists for endorsing their product. Who do you think pays the salaries of the Div. 1 riders? If that strikes you as unfair the solution is simple. Become a world class rider and you'll get *free* jerseys. Bikes, shorts, socks, shoes, helmets.... the whole enchilada so to speak. I was referring to all the people who pay to wear team replica jerseys with advertising on them - there are many such people for every paid professional cyclist (or amateur club racers who do get free or discounted equipment in return for wearing a jersey with advertising). I still have my Festina jersey. Mind you I don't follow racing and didn't even realise there was a Festina team when I bought it. I believe the team was busted about a week later and there I was wondering why a lot of people in France were staring at my jersey. |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
Bob Hunt wrote:
On Aug 25, 6:00 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 24, 9:14 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 23, 7:42 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: On Aug 23, 9:25 am, wrote: made by an obama supporter. every jersey sold donates $5 to the campaign Obama believehttp://www.bikingthings.com/obbebijedecy.html Obama Hope short sleeveshttp://www.bikingthings.com/obhobijebaob.html Obama hope Long sleeveshttp://www.bikingthings.com/obhobijelosl.html Http://www.bikingthings.com So to contribute $5 to a politician's campaign fund his supporters can spend- $90 on a sleeveless three color sublimated no artwork jersey with a 3/4 zip or $95 on a shortsleeve three color sublimated with art with a 3/4 zip or $100 on a longsleeve three color sublimated with art with a 3/4 zip? If these sell, he must have some really bright supporters. I see a lot of cyclists who will pay even more to wear jerseys supporting commercial products. I think you are referring to Div 1 team jerseys but even they don't cost that much, not if you shop wisely. Still, should not the commercial enterprises pay cyclists for their endorsements of the products? At least these jerseys should sell for considerably less than an equivalent quality jersey without advertising. BTW, you don't think a politician running for national office is a "commercial product"? They are all packaged and marketed in much the same way as toothpaste or deodorant. Indeed. (At least Obama and McSame - Barr, McKinney and Nader are in a different category.) The commercial enterprises you refer to do in fact pay cyclists for endorsing their product. Who do you think pays the salaries of the Div. 1 riders? If that strikes you as unfair the solution is simple. Become a world class rider and you'll get *free* jerseys. Bikes, shorts, socks, shoes, helmets.... the whole enchilada so to speak. I was referring to all the people who pay to wear team replica jerseys with advertising on them - there are many such people for every paid professional cyclist (or amateur club racers who do get free or discounted equipment in return for wearing a jersey with advertising). In the context of being "commercial products", the only thing separating the politicians you name as "different" from the candidates of the two major parties is marketing *skill*. Well, that and one of the majors will actually be elected. No, the third party candidates know that they will not be elected, which allows them to speak their minds and answer questions directly and honestly, and not the duck and weave the Republicrats provide. The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. As for most third party candidates, I think you are confusing cause and effect. Most don't speak their minds directly and honestly because they know they are unelectable. Most are unelectable because most of the electorate think too many of their ideas are wrong, stupid, or just downright crazy. I happened to see the debates hosted by Bill Moyers in 2004 that included Cobb, Nader, Badnarik and Peroutka. All four answered questions directly. Meanwhile, Bush II and Kerry answered questions with the "We plan to do what is best for America..., we will meet the challenge, the people are important, blah, blah, blah" spiel without ever really saying anything. The reason third party candidates are unelectable is due to their lack of media access and the lack of instant run-off voting. Often the third party candidates represent what the people actually want, while neither major party does (e.g. single-payer health care) since they represent the rich and corporations. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
Some doodling I did, never made a jersey or a button or anything:
http://www.43things.com/entries/view/3218457 -- Warm Regards, Claire Petersky http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/ See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
Claire Petersky wrote:
Some doodling I did, never made a jersey or a button or anything: http://www.43things.com/entries/view/3218457 Why would anyone want to elect Obama when gene daniels is obviously the best person for the position? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "0.ahno. the edo comes and goes. you stand there and experience the edo unless you are bound by ego riding a bike is highly valued as a way to experience and sample the edo” - gene daniels |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
On Aug 25, 7:03*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. That is an interesting theory. Carried to its logical conclusion, a can of Coke or Pepsi should cost less than a can of soda bearing the simple word "cola"; a Waterford frame should be less expensive than an unbranded lugged steel frame; a pair of Levis should cost less than a pair of denim jeans that had no identifying manufacturer's logo; and a Rans recumbent should be cheaper than a no-name recumbent. Let me know when your theory becomes reality. I've always wanted both a Ferrari and a Perazzi. Regards, Bob Hunt |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
On 2008-08-26, Tom Sherman wrote:
Claire Petersky wrote: Some doodling I did, never made a jersey or a button or anything: http://www.43things.com/entries/view/3218457 Why would anyone want to elect Obama when gene daniels is obviously the best person for the position? "If nominated I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." -- Kristian Zoerhoff |
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Bob wrote, On 8/26/2008 2:40 AM:
On Aug 25, 7:03 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. That is an interesting theory. Carried to its logical conclusion, a can of Coke or Pepsi should cost less than a can of soda bearing the simple word "cola"; a Waterford frame should be less expensive than an unbranded lugged steel frame; a pair of Levis should cost less than a pair of denim jeans that had no identifying manufacturer's logo; and a Rans recumbent should be cheaper than a no-name recumbent. Let me know when your theory becomes reality. I've always wanted both a Ferrari and a Perazzi. Regards, Bob Hunt Logic is a harsh mistress... -- Paul D Oosterhout I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC) |
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Obama Believe and Obama Hope unique bike jerseys
Bob Hunt wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:03 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. That is an interesting theory. Carried to its logical conclusion, a can of Coke or Pepsi should cost less than a can of soda bearing the simple word "cola"; Through advertising, the cola companies have convinced people that their product is better than the "store brands" at half the price. a Waterford frame should be less expensive than an unbranded lugged steel frame; I understand for an extra charge one can get a Waterford frame with no logo. a pair of Levis should cost less than a pair of denim jeans that had no identifying manufacturer's logo; and a Rans recumbent should be cheaper than a no-name recumbent. What is a "Rans"? I have never heard of that company. Let me know when your theory becomes reality. I've always wanted both a Ferrari and a Perazzi. Not a theory, but a statement of how things ought to be. I do know of a couple car dealers that offered discounts on service for having one of their logo license plate holders on a vehicle. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia 1999 RANS Tailwind 2000 RANS Rocket RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS RANS |
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Paul O writes: Bob wrote, On 8/26/2008 2:40 AM: On Aug 25, 7:03 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. That is an interesting theory. Carried to its logical conclusion, a can of Coke or Pepsi should cost less than a can of soda bearing the simple word "cola"; a Waterford frame should be less expensive than an unbranded lugged steel frame; a pair of Levis should cost less than a pair of denim jeans that had no identifying manufacturer's logo; and a Rans recumbent should be cheaper than a no-name recumbent. Let me know when your theory becomes reality. I've always wanted both a Ferrari and a Perazzi. Regards, Bob Hunt Logic is a harsh mistress... Copies of the Chicago Tribune shouldn't be free to the public because they have "Chicago Tribune" emblazoned in the banner. But maybe copies of the Chicago Tribune and other mainstream newspapers should be free to the public because of their (paid-for) advertising content. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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Tom Keats wrote:
In article , Paul O writes: Bob wrote, On 8/26/2008 2:40 AM: On Aug 25, 7:03 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Bob Hunt wrote: The people that wear replica team jerseys aren't paying for the privilege of advertising the companies that sponsor those teams. Generally speaking, they just like the look of the jersey and/or like to identify with "their" team. It seems the distinction between that and the marketing strategy of "buy this jersey and financially support your candidate" escapes you. Since the jersey carries advertising, it should be less expensive. That is an interesting theory. Carried to its logical conclusion, a can of Coke or Pepsi should cost less than a can of soda bearing the simple word "cola"; a Waterford frame should be less expensive than an unbranded lugged steel frame; a pair of Levis should cost less than a pair of denim jeans that had no identifying manufacturer's logo; and a Rans recumbent should be cheaper than a no-name recumbent. Let me know when your theory becomes reality. I've always wanted both a Ferrari and a Perazzi. Regards, Bob Hunt Logic is a harsh mistress... Copies of the Chicago Tribune shouldn't be free to the public because they have "Chicago Tribune" emblazoned in the banner. But maybe copies of the Chicago Tribune and other mainstream newspapers should be free to the public because of their (paid-for) advertising content. Most alternative weekly papers are free to the public and paid for by advertising. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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