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Fenders are for sissies, but they keep your back dry when the roadswet
I got a funny look the other day for having a traditional set of
fenders on my bicycle, but I didn't care, the road was wet and I didn't have a wet strip of dirt up my back. So in the grocery store I got into a conversation about bicycles and the clerk said "I don't think bicycles are such a good alternative to a car, because I get my back all wet when it rains." There you have it, a whole new generation that never owned a bicycle with fenders. I'm old enought to remember when all bicycles had fenders. No extra charge. |
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Fenders are for sissies, but they keep your back dry when theroads wet
I just purchased a new bike, and it happened to come with fenders. As
long as they do not present some type of mechical problem (harder to change a tire or something) I really do not care. I have had a number of bikes, and none had fenders but that was because they did not come with any. On one bike I bought some fenders to put on, but they never fit very well, and I returned them. There are always snobs, but I figure snobs were invented by Madison Avenue so we would purchase things we do not need at a higher price than is necessary. tom |
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Tom Bates wrote:
I just purchased a new bike, and it happened to come with fenders. As long as they do not present some type of mechanical problem (harder to change a tire or something) I really do not care. I have had a number of bikes, and none had fenders but that was because they did not come with any. On one bike I bought some fenders to put on, but they never fit very well, and I returned them. Just so you don't think that fenders present no hazards, let me explain why and why some manufacturers work hard to avoid this hazard with break-away fender braces. If a derailleur stick flips up into the rear wheel, it can rip the derailleur off its dropout if it engages the right part of the chain. That's why riding over a 3/8" foot long sturdy curved twig is not a good idea. However, if such a derailleur stick gets in the front wheel, it can jam between the spokes and fender brace, sucking the fender into the tire with sufficient force to buckle the fender and stop the front wheel. I've watched it happen and it occurred on a dirt road with a road bicycle. We had warned the rider, but he thought we were only opposed to riding with a "fender geek". There are always snobs, but I figure snobs were invented by Madison Avenue so we would purchase things we do not need at a higher price than is necessary. The snobs just have the wrong reasons for their opposition to fenders, they haven't ridden to work often enough in the rain. On the other hand, drawing a tangent from the downward pedal to the front tire should make clear that without a "mud flap" your shoes will be filled with water. Jobst Brandt |
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wrote: I got a funny look the other day for having a traditional set of fenders on my bicycle... Worrying about people's "funny looks" leads to a very dull, unpleasant life! On Jun 26, 9:52 pm, "David L. Johnson" wrote: Well, most fenders are pretty much garbage. The constraints of a bike fender design, very light weight, close tolerances between frame, brake, and wheel, and limited mounting options give you a fender that either breaks from fatigue soon after it's installed (I have one of those), or which rubs against the wheel half the time, or which does not do the job for which it is designed. ??? Since about 1977 (when I started commuting by bike) I've had fenders on my bike whenever I thought it might rain. Since about 2000, I just leave them on all the time. I've had none of the problems David describes. I think I've broken three, maybe four fenders over the 31 years. That includes on my mountain bike (the only one to ever swallow a stick). The front fender that came with my Cannondale touring bike (Esge Chromoplast) cracked after about ten years, because of the way I was forced to flex it when I carried my bike on a roof rack. Its replacement has been perfect. Mounting takes only moderate mechanical skill, but details can be finicky. Just take the time to get them right. Remember it's possible to trim them or (in some cases) warm the plastic to re-shape them if necessary. I prefer to use blue Loctite on the mounting screws, unless I'm doing a sort of quick-release configuration. It's usually a good idea to add a front mud flap - say, cut from a milk jug and bolted in place. This keeps your feet much dryer. On top of that, most recreational cyclists do not ride in the rain, anyway, and those are the ones that actually buy equipment. It's true that if you are more into just biking for play, plus trading parts to match Buycycling's "gotta have" list each month, you're not likely to bother with fenders. I'm not so much into fashion; I'm more into practicality. YMMV. Most commuters use 20-year-old bikes. Oh, and that relates to David's comment about "The constraints of a bike fender design, very light weight, close tolerances between frame, brake, and wheel, and limited mounting options..." Fashionable racer bikes are built to reduce every gram of mass, and to pretend to be aerodynamic. Those, and other elements of fashion, forbid attaching threaded bosses to mount fenders (2 grams each!!!) or leaving enough space between the tire and frame or brakes for anything but a $50 bill. (You could test it with a $1, but that ain't stylin'!) Before "playing Lance" was fashionable, bikes had more clearance for fenders. They were more practical. Commuters (and tourists) prefer that practicality. Hence the older bikes. But again, YMMV. See http://www.bicyclinglife.com/Practic...yofFenders.htm - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
Since about 1977 (when I started commuting by bike) I've had fenders on my bike whenever I thought it might rain. Since about 2000, I just leave them on all the time. I've had none of the problems David describes. I think I've broken three, maybe four fenders over the 31 years. I've broken 2 in 4 years, which is much worse than your experience. Most of my problems are on an old road bike -- lots of clearance for a road bike. The rear fender has broken from fatigue twice. I have the broken end jammed into the bracket, along with the other piece that was there originally, and it works pretty well now. But the fenders (plastic) flex quite a bit while riding, thus the fatigue. The mounting brackets, long steel bars that clamp to the dropout, are too weak to hold the fender still. These mounting brackets also go out of adjustment regularly, leading to the fender rubbing on the tire. I have to admit that my mountain bike, which I only use for snow&ice commuting, has softer-plastic fenders that just snap on, and they have worked much better than the fancier ones on the road bike. Most commuters use 20-year-old bikes. Oh, and that relates to David's comment about "The constraints of a bike fender design, very light weight, close tolerances between frame, brake, and wheel, and limited mounting options..." No, it relates to the fact that fenders, which would be most useful to commuters, are a difficult sell to the guy who buys his bike from a garage sale. It is a rare old bike that has fenders, except for old cruisers. -- David L. Johnson Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:39:34 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Since about 1977 (when I started commuting by bike) I've had fenders on my bike whenever I thought it might rain. Since about 2000, I just leave them on all the time. I've had none of the problems David describes. I think I've broken three, maybe four fenders over the 31 years. I've broken 2 in 4 years, which is much worse than your experience. Most of my problems are on an old road bike -- lots of clearance for a road bike. The rear fender has broken from fatigue twice. I have the broken end jammed into the bracket, along with the other piece that was there originally, and it works pretty well now. But the fenders (plastic) flex quite a bit while riding, thus the fatigue. The mounting brackets, long steel bars that clamp to the dropout, are too weak to hold the fender still. These mounting brackets also go out of adjustment regularly, leading to the fender rubbing on the tire. I have to admit that my mountain bike, which I only use for snow&ice commuting, has softer-plastic fenders that just snap on, and they have worked much better than the fancier ones on the road bike. Most commuters use 20-year-old bikes. Oh, and that relates to David's comment about "The constraints of a bike fender design, very light weight, close tolerances between frame, brake, and wheel, and limited mounting options..." No, it relates to the fact that fenders, which would be most useful to commuters, are a difficult sell to the guy who buys his bike from a garage sale. It is a rare old bike that has fenders, except for old cruisers. My first bike or two had fenders, around 1960. One was a Rollfast or something. Then they seemed to go out of style. I always thought that a bike without fenders looked naked but other folks thought they looked cool. Now I commute by bike and I used to install the plastic MB type of fender that clips into something under the fork whenever rain threatened. Of course, I often forgot to do that and got wet. I really only removed it because I was afraid it would get stolen when left outside all day. Luckily, the cheap front shock (Trek 7100 hybrid has a very cheap shock) has now frozen in the down position, making it impossible to remove the fender without using a pry bar to force the shock up. So now the fender is there all the time; it can't easily be stolen. |
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On Jun 27, 1:39 am, "David L. Johnson"
wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Since about 1977 (when I started commuting by bike) I've had fenders on my bike whenever I thought it might rain. Since about 2000, I just leave them on all the time. I've had none of the problems David describes. I think I've broken three, maybe four fenders over the 31 years. I've broken 2 in 4 years, which is much worse than your experience. I'm curious - what brand are you using? I've had uniformly good luck with a variety of brands. Currently, we're using old Esge Chromoplasts (are those still available?) on my wife's touring bike, Planet Bike Freddys on my touring bike and our Bike Fridays, and what may be ancient Bluemels (very thin black plastic) on my commuter and our tandem. I can't tell the brand on my mountain bike, but it looks Chromoplast-ish. The Planet Bike fenders on the rear of the Fridays end up inverted and partially supporting the bike in the "quick fold" mode, but they've stood up to even that just fine for at least a year now. - Frank Krygowski |
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Fenders are for sissies, but they keep your back dry when the roads wet
wrote in message ... I got a funny look the other day for having a traditional set of fenders on my bicycle, [snip] I guess that you are not writing from here in London. It's not just the rain. It's the horse dung, too. Jeremy Parker |
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