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Old June 15th 18, 03:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old June 15th 18, 05:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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AMuzi wrote:

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


"The counterfeit helmets were found not to
contain roll cages or the internal
reinforcements that are standard in
high-end authentic Specialized and
Giro bicycle helmets. When placed on a head
form and dropped onto a testing surface at
approximately 11 miles per hour, the
counterfeit helmets broke into pieces
during impact testing, resulting in direct
contact between the head forms and the
testing surface," the U.S. Attorneys Office
said in a news release.

Wow, great job by the US officers!

What kind of sentence do you get for something
like that?

And what is the Alibaba doing dealing with
knock offs? Shouldn't they be trialed as well or
is that impossible to do?

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Old June 15th 18, 07:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.

But those inexpensive genuine are still magic.

The real problem? These Alibaba helmets were made on a production line that
didn't feature a wizard to inject the magic.

- Frank Krygowski
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Old June 15th 18, 07:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski wrote:

So the counterfeits lacked the internal
reinforcement in those top of the line helmet
models. In other words, they were like
helmets that are not top of the line.


What about the "counterfeits" that are
identical to the real deal only produced, in
the same factories, but off the record and then
sold thru other distribution channels? If those
items are truly identical, I suppose there is
no safety/health aspect anymore to it, just
a regular crime involving money like any other?

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Old June 15th 18, 07:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/15/2018 1:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.

But those inexpensive genuine are still magic.

The real problem? These Alibaba helmets were made on a production line that
didn't feature a wizard to inject the magic.

- Frank Krygowski


The real punishment is trademark violation which in civil
court can be 3x damages plus costs. It's a very expensive
crime. I've known guys who won and also guys who lost in
those suits; the money really flows.

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Old June 15th 18, 11:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:20:53 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.


As I read the article, the helmets didn't pass the usual impact tests.

But those inexpensive genuine are still magic.

The real problem? These Alibaba helmets were made on a production line that
didn't feature a wizard to inject the magic.


Well, it was a mail fraud and federal counterfeiting case, so helmet safety was not really the issue, but the fact is that these knock-offs were junk.

I've smashed two or three helmets, so having one that works to the extent they can work is a good thing. No, they don't protect you from all harms, etc., etc. (please refer to last 25 years of posts), but they can protect against certain harms if well manufactured.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old June 16th 18, 01:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Cimperman
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On 6/15/2018 11:54 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


"The counterfeit helmets were found not to
contain roll cages or the internal
reinforcements that are standard in
high-end authentic Specialized and
Giro bicycle helmets. When placed on a head
form and dropped onto a testing surface at
approximately 11 miles per hour, the
counterfeit helmets broke into pieces
during impact testing, resulting in direct
contact between the head forms and the
testing surface," the U.S. Attorneys Office
said in a news release.

Wow, great job by the US officers!

What kind of sentence do you get for something
like that?

About tree fiddy.


And what is the Alibaba doing dealing with
knock offs? Shouldn't they be trialed as well or
is that impossible to do?


Probably not a lot--but then, many people don't understand how difficult
it can be to police Chinese industry.

I read an article once about counterfeit/knockoff iPods back when they
first came out. Most of the copies were coming from China, and
manufacturers in China tend not to be vertically integrated--that is,
they don't make the entire product. They just make one part, for someone
else who ordered it. So they often don't know exactly how it gets used
or where it ends up.

To make an iPod clone, there was five major 'parts' involved: the
plastic case, the LCD screen, the printed circuit boards, the
electronics assembly, and the packaging. One estimate was that there was
a total of 120,000 different companies in China capable of making at
least one of those parts.
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Old June 16th 18, 04:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 6/15/2018 6:52 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:20:53 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.


As I read the article, the helmets didn't pass the usual impact tests.


Nope, that wasn't specified. They said they allowed the headform to
contact the anvil. That in itself doesn't mean they didn't pass the 300g
test.

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Old June 16th 18, 10:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 8:20:53 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.

But those inexpensive genuine are still magic.

The real problem? These Alibaba helmets were made on a production line that
didn't feature a wizard to inject the magic.

- Frank Krygowski



Geez Frank what is the significance of this post? Ever looked at the authentic high end helmets? I guess not. Never leave an opportunity to express your opinion about helmets heh?. Maybe you should spend that time on straightening your handlebar.

Lou
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Old June 16th 18, 10:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 5:44:15 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 8:20:53 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...y#.WyPRf0q99PI


So the counterfeits lacked the internal reinforcement in those top of the line
helmet models. In other words, they were like helmets that are not top of the
line.

But those inexpensive genuine are still magic.

The real problem? These Alibaba helmets were made on a production line that
didn't feature a wizard to inject the magic.

- Frank Krygowski



Geez Frank what is the significance of this post? Ever looked at the authentic high end helmets? I guess not. Never leave an opportunity to express your opinion about helmets heh?. Maybe you should spend that time on straightening your handlebar.

Lou


Lou, you'd better not demand "significance" tests for posts. Your own may not
qualify.

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