Are bicycle components designed by second-rate engineers?

On Aug 6, 6:23*pm, Jobst Brandt wrote:

Here's the Gavia: *http://tinyurl.com/2dx9edn

Nope, not there. I feed the URL you give by copying and pasting and it
instantly turns into http://dslextreme.com%3e/ which the search engine
then fails to find. Please fix it as I'm always keen on your journeys.
-- AJ

Peter Cole wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:

" That's what they said about Latin."


Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still
the 'lingua franca', as it were.

I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.

de gustibus non disputandum.

I found it valuable but, as always, YMMV.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Op 7-8-2010 4:09, Andre Jute schreef:
On Aug 7, 2:35 am, Jobst wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Here's the Gavia
Now that's a road for real cyclists! One mistake and you slide under
the rail and ta-ta.

http://tinyurl.com/7nsry

If you go to Rifugio Bonetta, you can get that picture on a large post
card with Bonetta's place and my autograph. They seem to sell a lot
of these to visitors, not only bikies. He gave me a whole pack of
them the last time I dropped in and copied my memory stick that is
full of pictures of biking in the alps.

http://www.passogavia.it/(Rifugio Bonetta)

He has a large print on the wall behind glass and bikies like to stick
messages on the front for me to read. I haven't picked up any mail
recently.

If they raced over that pass, the manners in the peloton must have
been much, much better than we saw on this year's Tour de France, or
it would have been a massacre. Don't fancy being on the outside,
he
http://tinyurl.com/7nsry

Andre Jute
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...



Friend of mine got very scared descending that narrow road.
Even in bad weather it is a spectacular climb/descent.

http://picasaweb.google.nl/LoetjeH/M...64642754979106

Lou

On Aug 7, 8:25*am, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op 7-8-2010 4:09, Andre Jute schreef:





On Aug 7, 2:35 am, Jobst *wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Here's the Gavia
Now that's a road for real cyclists! One mistake and you slide under
the rail and ta-ta.

*http://tinyurl.com/7nsry

If you go to Rifugio Bonetta, you can get that picture on a large post
card with Bonetta's place and my autograph. *They seem to sell a lot
of these to visitors, not only bikies. *He gave me a whole pack of
them the last time I dropped in and copied my memory stick that is
full of pictures of biking in the alps.

*http://www.passogavia.it/(RifugioBonetta)

He has a large print on the wall behind glass and bikies like to stick
messages on the front for me to read. *I haven't picked up any mail
recently.

If they raced over that pass, the manners in the peloton must have
been much, much better than we saw on this year's Tour de France, or
it would have been a massacre. Don't fancy being on the outside,
he
*http://tinyurl.com/7nsry

Andre Jute
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...

Friend of mine got very scared descending that narrow road.
Even in bad weather it is a spectacular climb/descent.

http://picasaweb.google.nl/LoetjeH/M...64642754979106

Lou

Alas, I'm past aspiring to the climb (I daily climb about ten per cent
that much so my outer limit is probably a kilometre vertical ascent),
but I would have liked to have tried the descent just once. That's why
I, and I imagine many others, are so appreciative of these rare and
wonderful photos published by people like Jobst and you. -- Andre Jute

In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
" That's what they said about Latin."


Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still the
'lingua franca', as it were.
I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.

I was talking with a first rate engineer at a place I worked,
and found that he graduated from Boston Latin School.
He valued the education in Latin.


I have a good friend who also graduated from Boston Latin, then MIT,
then Sloane School, he's not a great engineer.

This does not further your argument.
Some first rate people value their education in Latin.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
" That's what they said about Latin."


Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still the
'lingua franca', as it were.
I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.
I was talking with a first rate engineer at a place I worked,
and found that he graduated from Boston Latin School.
He valued the education in Latin.

I have a good friend who also graduated from Boston Latin, then MIT,
then Sloane School, he's not a great engineer.

This does not further your argument.
Some first rate people value their education in Latin.


OK, but in the absence of any causal hypothesis put forward to explain
the purported correlation between study of Latin and engineering
proficiency (unless I missed it), I thought we had been reduced to
trading anecdotes. It's *your* argument after all that hasn't advanced,
even at the anecdotal level it's a 1:1 tie, worse if you count my
personal experience. If you could hazard a guess as to the connection
between Latin and engineering, I'd be happy to entertain it.

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
" That's what they said about Latin."


Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still the
'lingua franca', as it were.
I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.
I was talking with a first rate engineer at a place I worked,
and found that he graduated from Boston Latin School.
He valued the education in Latin.

I have a good friend who also graduated from Boston Latin, then MIT,
then Sloane School, he's not a great engineer.

This does not further your argument.
Some first rate people value their education in Latin.


Some of us mediocre types too.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:49:52 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
" That's what they said about Latin."


Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still the
'lingua franca', as it were.
I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.
I was talking with a first rate engineer at a place I worked,
and found that he graduated from Boston Latin School.
He valued the education in Latin.

I have a good friend who also graduated from Boston Latin, then MIT,
then Sloane School, he's not a great engineer.

This does not further your argument.
Some first rate people value their education in Latin.


Some of us mediocre types too.

Dear Andrew,

Speaking of placing value on education in Latin, budget-cutting
President King gets a sharp lesson from the head of the Walden
classics department . . .
http://i34.tinypic.com/2rz9ij9.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Aug 8, 1:35*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:49:52 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
*Peter Cole wrote:

Michael Press wrote:
In article ,
*Peter Cole wrote:

AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote:
" That's what they said about Latin."

Try working a good crossword without a classicist nearby. It's still the
'lingua franca', as it were.
I'm a crossword junkie, and I don't have a classicist in the house,
other than myself I guess with 4 years under the Jesuits. I'm sure it
improved my vocabulary, but I'm also sure that the equivalent time spent
in literature or modern language study would have done more.

Latin may be a help in law or medicine where such terms still seem to
abound, I'm not sure, having studied neither, but it certainly wasn't
much help in engineering. If it's a help in crosswords, it's subtle, and
even if it is, I think I'd take the hit there rather than the long hours
with Caesar, Virgil, and Cicero.
I was talking with a first rate engineer at a place I worked,
and found that he graduated from Boston Latin School.
He valued the education in Latin.

I have a good friend who also graduated from Boston Latin, then MIT,
then Sloane School, he's not a great engineer.

This does not further your argument.
Some first rate people value their education in Latin.

Some of us mediocre types too.

Dear Andrew,

Speaking of placing value on education in Latin, budget-cutting
President King gets a sharp lesson from the head of the Walden
classics department . . .
*http://i34.tinypic.com/2rz9ij9.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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