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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:01:50 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:47:28 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 04:03, Tosspot wrote: On 29/08/2019 00.38, Joerg wrote: snip Not having that dreaded handlebar tape anymore is another serious upside of the (steel) flat bar I have now. I mounted these: https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair Very comfortable. So much so that I installed the non-horned version on the MTB. https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair My favorite style. I have the Ergon GP3s on all my flat handlebar bikes, unlike the meetlocks the horn is adjustable. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...s/rp-prod15030 I also like the non-horned GP1s. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ps/rp-prod9686 Except mine cost less than half :-) However, the non-horned Ergon is better because on the Meetlocks non-horned they elected to use a compression rubber mount for the outsides. Beats me why because the integrated aluminum clamp ring on the horned version would have been possible and is so much better. Especially on an MTB where you reach in more forcefully. Some years ago I was building up an old frame and used straight bars. I found that on longer rides, say 2 hours, or more, my wrists got tired. I changed to normal drop bars and it seemed much more comfortable. But, of course, this depends on what one is used to :-) True. I don't know how the mountain bike guys do it for so long. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On 8/31/2019 7:11 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:01:50 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:47:28 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 04:03, Tosspot wrote: On 29/08/2019 00.38, Joerg wrote: snip Not having that dreaded handlebar tape anymore is another serious upside of the (steel) flat bar I have now. I mounted these: https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair Very comfortable. So much so that I installed the non-horned version on the MTB. https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair My favorite style. I have the Ergon GP3s on all my flat handlebar bikes, unlike the meetlocks the horn is adjustable. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...s/rp-prod15030 I also like the non-horned GP1s. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ps/rp-prod9686 Except mine cost less than half :-) However, the non-horned Ergon is better because on the Meetlocks non-horned they elected to use a compression rubber mount for the outsides. Beats me why because the integrated aluminum clamp ring on the horned version would have been possible and is so much better. Especially on an MTB where you reach in more forcefully. Some years ago I was building up an old frame and used straight bars. I found that on longer rides, say 2 hours, or more, my wrists got tired. I changed to normal drop bars and it seemed much more comfortable. But, of course, this depends on what one is used to :-) True. I don't know how the mountain bike guys do it for so long. I just talked to a cyclist friend who said he's thinking about either buying a bike with flat bars, or converting his existing 1990s drop bar bike to flat bars. While we were conversing in his home, he mimicked the bent over, bent elbow "on the drops" position and said it's too extreme for him. My response? Raise the stem and handlebars! He said he had them as high as they would go, so I advised buying a new stem. I do believe many people put their bars too low. The hoods or tops of the bar should be at a completely comfortable height. (I don't think it's a requirement to be quite as comfortable on the drops as on the hoods, since most people use the drops much less often.) Note, drop bars ridden on top still give an easier ride than with straight bars. Straight bars rotate your elbows outward, increasing frontal area. Drop bars keep your elbows out of the wind even when riding the hoods or the top bends of the bars. And of course, they make available lower positions that really reduce air drag. Plus, for me at least, climbing is much easier when I can pull on the hoods. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:45:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 8/31/2019 7:11 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:01:50 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:47:28 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 04:03, Tosspot wrote: On 29/08/2019 00.38, Joerg wrote: snip Not having that dreaded handlebar tape anymore is another serious upside of the (steel) flat bar I have now. I mounted these: https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair Very comfortable. So much so that I installed the non-horned version on the MTB. https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair My favorite style. I have the Ergon GP3s on all my flat handlebar bikes, unlike the meetlocks the horn is adjustable. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...s/rp-prod15030 I also like the non-horned GP1s. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ps/rp-prod9686 Except mine cost less than half :-) However, the non-horned Ergon is better because on the Meetlocks non-horned they elected to use a compression rubber mount for the outsides. Beats me why because the integrated aluminum clamp ring on the horned version would have been possible and is so much better. Especially on an MTB where you reach in more forcefully. Some years ago I was building up an old frame and used straight bars. I found that on longer rides, say 2 hours, or more, my wrists got tired. I changed to normal drop bars and it seemed much more comfortable. But, of course, this depends on what one is used to :-) True. I don't know how the mountain bike guys do it for so long. I just talked to a cyclist friend who said he's thinking about either buying a bike with flat bars, or converting his existing 1990s drop bar bike to flat bars. While we were conversing in his home, he mimicked the bent over, bent elbow "on the drops" position and said it's too extreme for him. My response? Raise the stem and handlebars! He said he had them as high as they would go, so I advised buying a new stem. I do believe many people put their bars too low. The hoods or tops of the bar should be at a completely comfortable height. (I don't think it's a requirement to be quite as comfortable on the drops as on the hoods, since most people use the drops much less often.) Note, drop bars ridden on top still give an easier ride than with straight bars. Straight bars rotate your elbows outward, increasing frontal area. Drop bars keep your elbows out of the wind even when riding the hoods or the top bends of the bars. And of course, they make available lower positions that really reduce air drag. Plus, for me at least, climbing is much easier when I can pull on the hoods. The old rule of thumb was first the seat height and location taking the knee into consideration and next the handlebar position - from the elbow to the finger tip between the saddle nose and the back of the bar and finally the handle bar/stem height so that in the drops the handle bar just blocked the view of the front axle. Granted, these were "old time" measurements but over the years I've found that if you started with those settings and then moved things a bit to be comfortable that one ended up very close to what the old folks recommended. My seat to handle bar measurement is from my elbow to the first joint on my middle finger, for example. About an inch closer than recommended. (and I'm a short guy :-) Climbing I tend to keep my elbows bent and undoubtedly pull against the hoods although I seem to feel it more in my arms. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:45:54 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/31/2019 7:11 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:01:50 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:47:28 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 04:03, Tosspot wrote: On 29/08/2019 00.38, Joerg wrote: snip Not having that dreaded handlebar tape anymore is another serious upside of the (steel) flat bar I have now. I mounted these: https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair Very comfortable. So much so that I installed the non-horned version on the MTB. https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair My favorite style. I have the Ergon GP3s on all my flat handlebar bikes, unlike the meetlocks the horn is adjustable. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...s/rp-prod15030 I also like the non-horned GP1s. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ps/rp-prod9686 Except mine cost less than half :-) However, the non-horned Ergon is better because on the Meetlocks non-horned they elected to use a compression rubber mount for the outsides. Beats me why because the integrated aluminum clamp ring on the horned version would have been possible and is so much better. Especially on an MTB where you reach in more forcefully. Some years ago I was building up an old frame and used straight bars. I found that on longer rides, say 2 hours, or more, my wrists got tired. I changed to normal drop bars and it seemed much more comfortable. But, of course, this depends on what one is used to :-) True. I don't know how the mountain bike guys do it for so long. I just talked to a cyclist friend who said he's thinking about either buying a bike with flat bars, or converting his existing 1990s drop bar bike to flat bars. While we were conversing in his home, he mimicked the bent over, bent elbow "on the drops" position and said it's too extreme for him. My response? Raise the stem and handlebars! He said he had them as high as they would go, so I advised buying a new stem. I do believe many people put their bars too low. The hoods or tops of the bar should be at a completely comfortable height. (I don't think it's a requirement to be quite as comfortable on the drops as on the hoods, since most people use the drops much less often.) Note, drop bars ridden on top still give an easier ride than with straight bars. Straight bars rotate your elbows outward, increasing frontal area. Drop bars keep your elbows out of the wind even when riding the hoods or the top bends of the bars. And of course, they make available lower positions that really reduce air drag. Plus, for me at least, climbing is much easier when I can pull on the hoods. -- - Frank Krygowski Why doesn't he buy a quill stem extender? Then prhaps all he'd have to do is get new cables and housings. Funny thing is I do just the opposite in that I convert straight bar MTBs to drop bars as those converted thusly make fantastic loaded touring bikes. Cheers |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:45:54 UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/31/2019 7:11 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:01:50 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:47:28 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 04:03, Tosspot wrote: On 29/08/2019 00.38, Joerg wrote: snip Not having that dreaded handlebar tape anymore is another serious upside of the (steel) flat bar I have now. I mounted these: https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair Very comfortable. So much so that I installed the non-horned version on the MTB. https://www.meetlocksonline.com/coll...e-parts-1-pair My favorite style. I have the Ergon GP3s on all my flat handlebar bikes, unlike the meetlocks the horn is adjustable. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...s/rp-prod15030 I also like the non-horned GP1s. https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ps/rp-prod9686 Except mine cost less than half :-) However, the non-horned Ergon is better because on the Meetlocks non-horned they elected to use a compression rubber mount for the outsides. Beats me why because the integrated aluminum clamp ring on the horned version would have been possible and is so much better. Especially on an MTB where you reach in more forcefully. Some years ago I was building up an old frame and used straight bars. I found that on longer rides, say 2 hours, or more, my wrists got tired. I changed to normal drop bars and it seemed much more comfortable. But, of course, this depends on what one is used to :-) True. I don't know how the mountain bike guys do it for so long. I just talked to a cyclist friend who said he's thinking about either buying a bike with flat bars, or converting his existing 1990s drop bar bike to flat bars. While we were conversing in his home, he mimicked the bent over, bent elbow "on the drops" position and said it's too extreme for him. My response? Raise the stem and handlebars! He said he had them as high as they would go, so I advised buying a new stem. I do believe many people put their bars too low. The hoods or tops of the bar should be at a completely comfortable height. (I don't think it's a requirement to be quite as comfortable on the drops as on the hoods, since most people use the drops much less often.) Note, drop bars ridden on top still give an easier ride than with straight bars. Straight bars rotate your elbows outward, increasing frontal area. Drop bars keep your elbows out of the wind even when riding the hoods or the top bends of the bars. And of course, they make available lower positions that really reduce air drag. Plus, for me at least, climbing is much easier when I can pull on the hoods. -- - Frank Krygowski Cut about three inches off each end of handlebar and move everything inwards towards the stem and then add bar-ends and you'll have a setup nearly as comfortable as drop bars and with hardly any cost. Cheers |
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Handebar broke off - nasty cash
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 3:45:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/31/2019 5:50 PM, wrote: On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 4:51:41 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote: On 2019-08-29 13:19, Andy wrote: Glad you are ok. Nothing beats steel. Absolutamente! Steel is what I have now as a handlebar. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ From a safety point of view I think you woud be better off with a CF handlebar with the same weight as your current steel one. I wonder if anyone makes one. It seems easy to market "Less weight!" It might be difficult to market "Less likely to break!" "Price, durability, low weight -- pick any two" seems to hold true. AFAIK, there is not an epidemic of broken aluminum road bars of modern design from reputable manufacturers. There are heavier CF bars on the market from Salsa, Ritchie and others. -- Jay Beattie. |
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