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Old October 9th 15, 10:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31, had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four children in the car.

His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor injuries.

Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.

But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."

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Old October 9th 15, 11:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Guilty: Jury decide mum DID try to mow down autistic cyclist

On Friday, 9 October 2015 22:59:51 UTC+1, Alycidon wrote:
QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31, had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four children in the car..

His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor injuries.

Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.

But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."


http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...road_rage_row/

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Old October 10th 15, 12:19 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Guilty: Jury decide mum DID try to mow down autistic cyclist

On 09/10/2015 22:59, Alycidon wrote:
QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31, had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four children in the car.

His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor injuries.

Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.

But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."


Does the law have such a concept as "attempted grievous bodily harm"?
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Old October 10th 15, 10:58 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 10/10/2015 03:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
Alycidon considered Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:59:49
-0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31, had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four children in the car.

His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor injuries.

Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.

But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."


It seems iniquitous that a driver who does the same to a police
officer, but successfully, is charged with murder.

Why was she not charged with attempting the same offence?

Anybody who is not cognisant of the fact that a motor vehicle presents
a threat to the life of an unprotected human being in it's path surely
wouldn't have ever managed to obtain a licence to drive one -
therefore she demonstrably had (or should have had) that knowledge.

Deliberately aiming a motor vehicle at a vulnerable road use is
attempted murder. No excuses.


For once (and subject to the precise evidence, notoriously deficient in
press reports), I'm inclined to agree with you, M'Lud.
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Old October 10th 15, 01:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Guilty: Jury decide mum DID try to mow down autistic cyclist

Phil W Lee wrote:
Alycidon considered Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:59:49
-0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:


QUOTE: "A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today
after a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4
into a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31,
had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage
attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four
children in the car.

His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor
injuries.

Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before
she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon
in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.

But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no
fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."


It seems iniquitous that a driver who does the same to a police officer,
but successfully, is charged with murder.

Why was she not charged with attempting the same offence?


Because for a charge of murder to 'stick', all that needs to be
demonstrated by the prosecution is the _mens rea_ of intention to commit
grievous bodily harm.

For a charge of attempted murder to be successful, intention to murder has
to be demonstrated. Otherwise, it's just 'intention to commit GBH'.

Y.
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a matter of public sanitation and decorum'
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Old October 10th 15, 04:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Saturday, 10 October 2015 13:08:03 UTC+1, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:


Why was she not charged with attempting the same offence?


Because for a charge of murder to 'stick', all that needs to be
demonstrated by the prosecution is the _mens rea_ of intention to commit
grievous bodily harm.

For a charge of attempted murder to be successful, intention to murder has
to be demonstrated. Otherwise, it's just 'intention to commit GBH'.


QUOTE:

Jon Fray of the Kingston Cycling Campaign commented:

"I am not experienced in law but I suppose the police picked the charge of attempted GBH because they thought that is the one that would stick. I have some sympathy for people who think it should have been a harsher [charge.]"

http://road.cc/content/news/167662-4...hed-hair-salon


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Old October 11th 15, 03:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Guilty: Jury decide mum DID try to mow down autistic cyclist

On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:59:49 -0700, Alycidon wrote:

QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after
a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into
a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31,
had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage
attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four
children in the car.



One has to wonder what the piece of road lice did to upset her so much.


His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor
injuries.



So, no real damage then. Except to the toy of course.


Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before
she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon
in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.



This looks like evidence that her car did go wrong. Nobody deliberately
aims their car at a building.


But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no
fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.



What does the power have to do with anything? Looks like victim-blaming
to me.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."



She should appeal.
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Old October 11th 15, 03:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Forgery.
But I'm flattered.







"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:59:49 -0700, Alycidon wrote:

QUOTE:
"A mother was found guilty of attempted grievous bodily harm today after
a jury ruled she did deliberately try to run her Turbo charged 4x4 into
a cyclist she had argued with.

A jury took just two hours and one minute to decide Natalie Pyne, 31,
had aimed her white Audi Q7 at autistic Simon Edgley in a road rage
attack in Kingston in June last year while she had at least four
children in the car.



One has to wonder what the piece of road lice did to upset her so much.






His bicycle was left mangled after the attack but he escaped with minor
injuries.



So, no real damage then. Except to the toy of course.


Kingston Crown Court heard how Pyne claimed her 4x4 malfunctioned before
she clipped Mr Edgley and went through the bay window of the Park Salon
in Park Road causing more than £25,000 worth of damage.



This looks like evidence that her car did go wrong. Nobody deliberately
aims their car at a building.


But traffic officer PC Peter Traylor told the jury he could find "no
fault" with Pyne's "very powerful" car.



What does the power have to do with anything? Looks like victim-blaming
to me.

She will be sentenced on November 6 at Kingston Crown Court."



She should appeal.



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Old July 24th 17, 07:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Guilty: Jury decide mum DID try to mow down autistic cyclist

Thanks for such understanding, calling me Road Lice.
And there was real damage done, other than to my "toy".
I've been left with a PTSD I still cannot get help with, and which effects every moment of my life.
Please be aware that what you say can really hurt people, even if it is your view.
 




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