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Oregon bike tax?
On Fri, 5 May 2017 07:54:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 6:51:48 PM UTC-7, John B Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2017 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 7:33:19 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/4/2017 9:17 AM, wrote: On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 5:41:53 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 5/4/2017 1:46 AM, John B Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2017 20:50:15 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/3/2017 7:57 PM, John B Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 03 May 2017 09:02:13 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/3/2017 8:43 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 9:04:35 PM UTC-7, John B Slocomb wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2017 18:58:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2017 08:31:47 +0700, John B Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 01 May 2017 09:02:25 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On the other hand taking a laissez-faire attitude toward law and order results in what? Freedom. Ah yes. Freedom to shoot a nagging wife? Yep, that's about it. Given the opportunity, the GUM (great unwashed masses) will invariably vote themselves a free lunch, cancel all debts, and nationalize all private roads. Democracy is all about having someone else pay their fair share. While I suspect that you are being a bit droll here you are certainly correct that, perhaps, the most obvious trait of humanity is greed :-) Yep. The former Soviet Union demonstrated that an economic system that is NOT based on greed, doesn't work. We also demonstrated my point when California voted itself a free lunch in the form of a ballot initiative to force auto insurance companies to lower their rates by 20% and freezing rates for existing customers. https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_103,_Insurance_Rates_and_Re gulation_(1988) Basically, Prop 103 demanded that auto insurance companies operate at a loss. That wasn't going to work. The insurance companies initially responded by refusing to write new policies in California. It took 3 different insurance commissars to find someone willing to deal with the resultant mess. After plenty of litigation, things eventually settled down to lower rates at not quite the level passed in Prop 103. Here when it was decided to enforce mandatory insurance for autos the government essentially held a bidding contest to select a group of companies to provide the insurance. The result is quite cheap liability insurance for every car on the road. In fact you cannot even pay your annual vehicle tax, or register a vehicle, without showing proof that you have insurance coverage for the year. If you want insurance for your own car you can also purchase that relatively cheaply compared to U.S. prices. ly, many years ago, several home owners would not pay into our road maintenance fund. So, when the road was resurfaced, we left a large gap in front of their houses. Predictably, the runoff from the newly paved sections undermined the old pavement until it became a large collection of overlapping pot holes. I have a few photos (somewhere) that I show to reluctant property owners as an added inducement to paying their fair share. But what is "fair share"? Based on family income? Income net of debts? Number of cars? Number of operational cars (takes junkers parked in the yard into account). Tithe? I've been dealing for the last 40 years. We've tried various schemes in an effort to be fair, none of which were perfect. The closest we've come to something that irritates the fewest owners, landlords, and tenants was to simply charge by the flat fee for the annual spring maintenance binge plus a formula based on the number of drivers in a household and the distance from the beginning of the road. Counting drivers was necessary because one person has about 6 cars, but with only one driver. The distance from the beginning of the road was needed because although the other end of the road is passable, but sufficiently muddy and full of deep potholes, that it creates an effective dead end. Those near that end of the road, use more of the road, and should therefore pay more. That was necessary because none of the residents at the begriming of the road would pay anything unless it was included. If you have a better scheme, I'm interested (use email). Way back when I was a kid the town was required to maintain roads within the precinct (I believe they called it) but there were roads, we lived on one, that were outside the precinct and for those some sort of fixed fee was charged. The roads would have been dirt roads and maintenance was probably a grader running over the road occasionally to smooth out the washboard. I have the feeling that one paid the road fee at the same time one paid one's town taxes. Incidentally, we have a few "students" on the roadway. When I asked for road maintenance money, they offered to substitute labor in lieu of payment. We did that only one year. I arranged for the students to meet with the paving contractor, who put them to work preparing the road with picks and shovels. By the end of the day, those left standing were totally exhausted and offered to pay instead of continuing the work. The next day, the contractor showed up with the heavy equipment, which finished the job in a small fraction of the time that it took the students. Yeah, I know. I'm evil. Not really. Learning about physical labor is not evil. I remember when I was in high school a representative of Dartmouth Collage spoke to the senior class. He recommended that one should take at least a year off and work before entering collage. He went on to say that those who had done that invariably got better grades than those who came directly from high school. How's that Brexit going? Large chunks of America are hoping California secedes. There is a great deal to be said for the philosophy exhibited in the Constitution wherein it was a federation of states, each one doing their own thing and paying their own way. I can't wait. Do write back if that looks at all probable. Unfortunately the has risen to its present utopian level, where people are4 paid for not working and encouraged to borrow yet more money when they are broke :-( Looks a lot like the massive silver transfer from China to England during the Opium Wars. That turned out very well for England; China is still recovering from the effects. All the world's problems aren't due to Great Britain. It isn't as if the Chinese Emperors, the Russians Kings and the Morro slavers were only pawns in the hands of someone else. I did not intend that meaning. Only that a dramatically effective policy was done at arms length with virtually no military or state expense. Look around you and see a modern parallel. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The opium wars were from China importing Opium to Great Britain. Opium originated by Great Britain importing Opium to China for medical reasons. As we've seen here it has gotten out of hand quite rapidly. And state governments are simply looking the other way. Is that because they approve of it? Opium was known in China long before the British started importing it in quantity. The problem developed because the Chinese would only sell their products, mostly tea and silks, for silver as they required silver in quantity to prop up their currency. The British, literally unable to get their hands on sufficient silver to support the tea trade, discovered that while opium was available cheaply in India, which they largely controlled, it was relatively rare in China and therefore commanded large prices there. Thus a totally illegal, under Chinese law, trade developed. Opium in - Tea out. The initial acts that perpetrated the so called Opium Wars, was the Chinese destroying a large amount of illegal opium held in (largely British) Shanghai warehouses. This, by the way, is not some esoteric knowledge available only to the initiate. Any study of British trade in the 1800's spells it out in detail. There was even a rather famous novel, written by James Clavell, about the trade that portrays a rather grim picture of events. You are aware that this was a totally PRIVATE trade don't you? And virtually every other country's traders were doing precisely the same thing because opium was nothing more than a trade product. Yes it was a totally private trade from the 1834 termination of the East India Company's monopoly in China. I used the term "British" simply to denote the main players in the trade when in reality had you asked either Jardine or Matheson his nationality he would have undoubtedly replied "Scottish". |
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