Use the cloud for tracking your rides?

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras
while Canberra has only 2,470 :-0
--
cheers,

John B.

On 3/7/2020 10:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras
while Canberra has only 2,470 :-0
--
cheers,

John B.


uh, Sydney is about 4-1/2 million people but Canberra is
different in kind with 300,000+. It's not merely an
arithmetic difference but rather in the nature of very large
cities now.

Not that I'm defending state surveillance but you'd be hard
pressed to find extreme video monitoring of the citizenry in
any city Canberra's size.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 3:25:11 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2020 10:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras
while Canberra has only 2,470 :-0
--
cheers,

John B.


uh, Sydney is about 4-1/2 million people but Canberra is
different in kind with 300,000+. It's not merely an
arithmetic difference but rather in the nature of very large
cities now.

Not that I'm defending state surveillance but you'd be hard
pressed to find extreme video monitoring of the citizenry in
any city Canberra's size.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

There's a further important difference between Sydney and Canberra. Canberra is a purpose-built city of senior bureaucrats and the seat of Australia's government. (Think of Brasilia and that model city Mussolini built in the middle of a malaria swamp.) Why should the lawmakers spy on themselves?

Andre Jute
Off to dinner

On Sun, 08 Mar 2020 10:25:10 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 3/7/2020 10:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras
while Canberra has only 2,470 :-0
--
cheers,

John B.


uh, Sydney is about 4-1/2 million people but Canberra is
different in kind with 300,000+. It's not merely an
arithmetic difference but rather in the nature of very large
cities now.

Not that I'm defending state surveillance but you'd be hard
pressed to find extreme video monitoring of the citizenry in
any city Canberra's size.

For some reason CCTV density seems to be somehow equated to
population, although I suspect a more accurate figure might be
population density, but Canberra has 5.46 camera per 1,000 population.
As a comparison Washington, DC, has 5.61/1,000 and Bangkok 5.16/1,000.

Out of curiosity I calculated camera density per sq.km. and get:
Canberra - 814 km.sq - 2,472 CCTV = 3.04 CCTV per sq.km.
Washington - 177 km/sq. - 4,000 CCTV = 22.59/sq/km.
Bangkok - 1,568 sq.km. - 53,429 CCTV = 34.07/sq.km.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2020 10:25:10 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 3/7/2020 10:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...e-tracked-his-
bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it
was putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep,
that's all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed
him to let him know that local police had demanded information related
to his Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that
the notice had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police
surveillance tool that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes,
sweeping up Google location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth,
Wi-Fi and cellular connections — from everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras while
Canberra has only 2,470 :-0 --
cheers,

John B.


uh, Sydney is about 4-1/2 million people but Canberra is different in
kind with 300,000+. It's not merely an arithmetic difference but rather
in the nature of very large cities now.

Not that I'm defending state surveillance but you'd be hard pressed to
find extreme video monitoring of the citizenry in any city Canberra's
size.

The cameras are not evenly distributed through out each area,but at
deemed focal points like roadway intersections, parliament house, main
streets, etc.

You can garantee a good percentage are not working and a larger
percentage are not actively monitored or even recorded for a significant
period. All these really do is provide evidence for revenge, aka after
the fact action.

That is without considering anti-identification preparation, the most
common of which is the hoodie. Or even the black helmeted motor cyclist
who covers over their number plate whilst they drive up and disable a
'surveillance' camera. That occurs infrequently.

In many case, plod looks to mobile phone/device logging first. A number
of peole have fallen foul of their GPS device giving their tracks away.

On Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:52:48 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 3:25:11 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2020 10:37 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 03:48:16 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...e-tracked-his-
bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it
was putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep,
that's all it took. Google's legal investigations support team
emailed him to let him know that local police had demanded
information related to his Google account. The man's lawyer dug
around and learned that the notice had been prompted by a "geofence
warrant," a police surveillance tool that casts a virtual dragnet
over crime scenes, sweeping up Google location data — drawn from
users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular connections — from
everyone nearby.

It isn't only Google, Sydney has 60,000 CCTV surveillance cameras
while Canberra has only 2,470 :-0 --
cheers,

John B.


uh, Sydney is about 4-1/2 million people but Canberra is different in
kind with 300,000+. It's not merely an arithmetic difference but
rather in the nature of very large cities now.

Not that I'm defending state surveillance but you'd be hard pressed to
find extreme video monitoring of the citizenry in any city Canberra's
size.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

There's a further important difference between Sydney and Canberra.
Canberra is a purpose-built city of senior bureaucrats and the seat of
Australia's government. (Think of Brasilia and that model city Mussolini
built in the middle of a malaria swamp.) Why should the lawmakers spy on
themselves?

They do spy on themselves full time, but most of the cameras wouldbe fear
of the voters finally deciding on physical ejection. That Parliament
house is a fortified edific patrolled with machine gun toting renta-cop
who even forget they are there to serve parliament and the elected
members.

Meanwhile 'state actors' have free access to their virtual world via the
telecommunications network. Go figure.

Andre Jute Off to dinner

Am 08.03.2020 um 04:48 schrieb news18:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

The story is a bit inconsistent. While Google places this guy to the
place of the burglary, it also gives him a water-proof alibi: he never
spent more than 30 seconds or so in the vicinity of the crime location...

On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 09:25:21 +0100, Rolf Mantel wrote:

Am 08.03.2020 um 04:48 schrieb news18:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...e-tracked-his-
bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

The story is a bit inconsistent. While Google places this guy to the
place of the burglary, it also gives him a water-proof alibi: he never
spent more than 30 seconds or so in the vicinity of the crime
location...

Exactly, unless plod is gong to invoke fast crime, like fast food.
Sadly they've made a t of dubious claims over the decades.

On 3/9/2020 4:25 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 08.03.2020 um 04:48 schrieb news18:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03...cked-his-bike-
ride-past-a-burglary-and-that-made-him-a-suspect

"I was using an app to see how many miles I rode my bike and now it was
putting me at the scene of the crime," said Zachary McCoy. Yep, that's
all it took. Google's legal investigations support team emailed him to
let him know that local police had demanded information related to his
Google account. The man's lawyer dug around and learned that the notice
had been prompted by a "geofence warrant," a police surveillance tool
that casts a virtual dragnet over crime scenes, sweeping up Google
location data — drawn from users' GPS, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and cellular
connections — from everyone nearby.

The story is a bit inconsistent.Â* While Google places this guy to the
place of the burglary, it also gives him a water-proof alibi: he never
spent more than 30 seconds or so in the vicinity of the crime location...

Good point.

--
- Frank Krygowski